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#27 Oct 26 2009 at 11:44 AM Rating: Decent

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Symbols do mean things to the troops. Like it or not having the troops see their commander fly a jet onto an aircraft carrier with huge banners saying "mission accomplished" does inspire the troops.

Hahaha, except Der Monkey regrets doing that (I guess he hated "inspiring the troops"):

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While Bush's speech was mostly eloquent and free of the language gaffes he admits he is famous for, he said he regretted appearing in front of a "Mission Impossible" sign during a televised address in 2003. The controversial banner referring to the U.S. mission in Iraq, actually said "Mission Accomplished." (emphasis added)

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Boy I miss that giggling murderer.

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#28 Oct 26 2009 at 11:47 AM Rating: Good

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Second how long did we keep a military presence in Japan after ww2?

I don't particularly care about whatever semantic musical chairs you want to entertain in order to justify needless violence both against and by America's military. Just because I like you though:

Uh huh, so Obama should make up meaningless, but easily attainable, conditions of temporary and possibly ad hoc'd victory while not changing a single practical concern of the violence and danger in which his troops find themselves?

#29 Oct 26 2009 at 11:51 AM Rating: Excellent

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Like it or not having the troops see their commander fly a jet onto an aircraft carrier with huge banners saying "mission accomplished" does inspire the troops.

Nothing cheers you up after being told your enlistment period is being involuntarily extended by the Pentagon quite like seeing seeing Bush pretend to be a fighter pilot.

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#30 Oct 26 2009 at 11:58 AM Rating: Good

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It's okay though. You keep swearing how much conservatives care about this and we'll keep making sure your states get the federal welfare they need to survive.

What gesture is Obama making to show his support in Afghanistan; well besides defunding them and refusing to send more troops at the behest of military commanders over there?

Does Obama even have a plan?

You not paying attention to the news doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Perhaps you should pay more attention to what is going on rather then making things up. Smiley: lol

Obama's increased troup levels twice now. Although the latest one has been quiet and under the radar. No doubt because all sorts of people watch the news. I know you don't of course, you've stated many times that all your news comes from this website.

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#31 Oct 26 2009 at 12:05 PM Rating: Excellent

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Do you think the troops like seeing their commander out golfing every single day while they're fighting for our freedoms?

Do you think the troops like being told their lives are being sacrificed for our "freedom," when in reality their lives are being put in harms way to line the pockets of businessmen?

Seriously. What keeps the middle east in check - as far as we are concerned - is their theocracies being hell bent against sciences. Training and sacrifice does not win wars, and it NEVER has. The guy who wins is ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS the guy that has better technology available.

No one in the middle east has any hope of taking away our freedom. They could kill a few of us, yes, but to actually take away our freedom they would have to land hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of troops here on US soil. Most of them have absolutely no Navy or Air Force, and only those two things would be able to land troops here. Even if they did, they would have to contend with our defense systems - our Navy, our air force, our Coast Guard - that are literally decades ahead of anything they could hope to have within the next fifty years.

So no, the only possible entity that could really endanger our freedoms are the Chinese, and Republicans have made sure we have sent them billions of dollars to help them out because sending an evil dictatorship money in the name of capitalism is the American thing to.

Military personnel involved in the middle east are not fighting for our freedoms. They are sacrificing their lives for some corporation to make a buck. Dont kid yourself, and give our troops more credit.

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How much 'brush clearing' has Bush done since he left office?

Exactly none.

Now that he's not pretending to be a 'good ol, Git R done, boy', to impress the hillbillies, he's living in a big f'uck off town house doing motivational speeches for fat payments.

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#35 REDACTED, Posted: Oct 26 2009 at 1:05 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Paula,

#36 Oct 26 2009 at 1:09 PM Rating: Decent

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Why is it this thread makes me think Obama is a gopher?

#37 Oct 26 2009 at 1:10 PM Rating: Good

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publiusvarus wrote:

Paula,

Or it's just being covered because no one gives a f*ck now that he's not the prez.

No. Its what I said.

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#38 Oct 26 2009 at 1:39 PM Rating: Excellent

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Nothing cheers up the military like having the commander in chief telling his generals to go f*ck themselves while he goes and plays 18.

He's not. You should look into things sometimes.

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#39 REDACTED, Posted: Oct 26 2009 at 1:43 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Jophed,

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No one in the middle east has any hope of taking away our freedom. They could kill a few of us, yes, but to actually take away our freedom they would have to land hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of troops here on US soil.

You're kidding right? The whole premise behind the patriot act (yes I disagreed with W on this one) is that we sacrifice our freedoms so we can feel safe from more islamic terrorists attacks.

Freedom and safety are two entirely different concepts - and you made the claim they were fighting for our freedom, not safety. Freedom is the ability to express yourself without fear of government (or other citizens) intervention. Safety is the concept of not being killed or maimed.

So no, there is nothing the terrorists can do to harm our freedom. They cant coerce our government to take away our freedom of speech, religion, etc. The only hope they have would be to occupy us by force. To do that, they have to land troops. They have no standing army to do so, let alone any hope of getting by our vastly superior naval and air forces.

Now, they can effect our safety, but not even ten million troops in the middle east can stop that. It only takes one dirty bomb in a large city set by one terrorist. This is not going to be stopped with any military action. Hell, the US cant even stop the billions of dollars a year drug problem in the US with military force.

So, no, no one in the military is fighting the terrorist plot to invade the US or to coerce our government to take our freedoms because neither scenario exists. They are there to secure profits for business.

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#41 Oct 26 2009 at 1:51 PM Rating: Good

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http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9BITQ3G0&show_article=1

So we have to wait to see the outcome of the election before deciding whether or not to send more US troops to support the current ones there?

Yeah that's strong leadership <end sarcasm>.

What do you have to say about that?

Bush/Cheney had 7 years to go and 'sort out' Afghanistan. There was nothing holding them back.

Whats their excuse?

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#42 Oct 26 2009 at 1:52 PM Rating: Default

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So no, there is nothing the terrorists can do to harm our freedom. They cant coerce our government to take away our freedom of speech, religion, etc.

They sure as h*ll can. In fact one could argue that the communists, by supporting the Democrat party, have paid for the ideology that leads people to think it's the job of the govn to pay for everyones food stamps, section 8 housing, and healthcare; thereby forcing tax paying citizens to fund those who do not pay their own way. The more economic freedom one has the less they have to rely on govn for their food, shelter, or healthcare. So by allowing communists finance a certain party you allow them to control the populaces freedom and liberty.

Militarily we can't be conquered. That's why our enemies are attacking us from the inside.

#43 Oct 26 2009 at 1:54 PM Rating: Excellent

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That's why our enemies are attacking us from the inside.

Wait just a goddamned minute there bucko!

Are you saying that the US is harbouring terrorists?

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#44 REDACTED, Posted: Oct 26 2009 at 1:54 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Paula,

#45 Oct 26 2009 at 1:57 PM Rating: Good

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C'mon! You used the liberal media excuse in Vietnam as well...

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#46 Oct 26 2009 at 2:02 PM Rating: Excellent

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What do you have to say about that?

I'd say that knowing what government we're rushing in to support is a good idea, yeah. Given that Obama has raised troop levels twice since taking office, the whole "He won't help the troops!" line falls pretty flat when you're speaking to anyone but the GOP choir.

Heh... from your article:

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The deaths came as President Barack Obama prepared to meet his national security team for a sixth full-scale conference on the future of the troubled war.
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The Obama administration is hoping the runoff will produce a legitimate government. In Washington, Obama was to meet with his national security team Monday in what was to be the sixth full-scale Afghanistan conference in the White House Situation Room.

Abdullah on Monday called for election commission chairman Azizullah Lodin to be replaced within five days, saying he has "no credibility."
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Another flawed election would cast doubt on the wisdom of sending in more U.S. troops.

Man, his sixth full-scale conference. I wonder which hole he had that by.

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#47 Oct 26 2009 at 2:02 PM Rating: Good

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publiusvarus wrote:

Paula,

Sorry they had 4yrs to take care of Iraq and Afghanistan.

And anyway 4 years was enough to bring WWII to a close. You'd think that BushCo could have achieved something....anything useful in the time they did have, even if they were plagued by the liberal media and hordes of communists.

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#48 Oct 26 2009 at 2:12 PM Rating: Excellent

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They sure as h*ll can. In fact one could argue that the communists, by supporting the Democrat party, have paid for the ideology that leads people to think it's the job of the govn to pay for everyones food stamps, section 8 housing, and healthcare; thereby forcing tax paying citizens to fund those who do not pay their own way. The more economic freedom one has the less they have to rely on govn for their food, shelter, or healthcare. So by allowing communists finance a certain party you allow them to control the populaces freedom and liberty.

One could argue that, but they'd have to be either barking mad or a complete moron.

Oh, wait... continue.

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#50 Oct 26 2009 at 2:24 PM Rating: Decent

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You mean like liberaing a country of millions from a homicidal mass murdering dictator? Yeah the army didn't do anything like that under W <end sarcasm>.

You're right. Iraq is truly one of the greatest places to live and bring up your family right now.

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#51 Oct 26 2009 at 2:26 PM Rating: Good

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So no, there is nothing the terrorists can do to harm our freedom. They cant coerce our government to take away our freedom of speech, religion, etc.

They sure as h*ll can. In fact one could argue that the communists, by supporting the Democrat party, have paid for the ideology that leads people to think it's the job of the govn to pay for everyones food stamps, section 8 housing, and healthcare; thereby forcing tax paying citizens to fund those who do not pay their own way. The more economic freedom one has the less they have to rely on govn for their food, shelter, or healthcare. So by allowing communists finance a certain party you allow them to control the populaces freedom and liberty.

Militarily we can't be conquered. That's why our enemies are attacking us from the inside.

So wait - how does that tie in to the point we were talking about? You are trying to argue a point with "well, the military IS fighting for our freedom here in the US by killing terrorists because <time and logic warp> those hippie, communist, democrats are providing social servicces in this country!" Dude, that doesnt even make sense. There isnt even a logical link that any sane person could follow there. Are you just throwing out conservative buzz phrases - freedom, communist, democrat, etc - in the hopes that some bafoon will agree with your second point about social services - one that hat has NOTHING to do with terrorists in the middle east - and hope they will accept your first point through association?

The Chinese like the Republicans more than Democrats by a HUGE margin. The Republicans talk about how bad the "communist" Chinese are and then cant wait to send them our money - in the name of capitalism - as well as our jobs. GJ pubbies, take a moral stance against communism and then wilt so you can buy a bike for $50 at Walmart that some Chinese kid made in a 16 hour day. But keep on keeping on, I guess its better to give a dictatorship jobs and money because you dont feel like paying a liveable wage to some poor slob here in the US.

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