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#52 Oct 15 2009 at 3:12 AM Rating: Decent
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Proof means someone (or a few someones) in an official capacity viewing the documents in question and signing an affidavit verifying that said documents consist of a legal birth certificate, and that the contents of said birth certificate meet any and all legal requirements for establishing one as a natural born US citizen. That it. This could be a judge. It could be some administrator. It could be anyone who is reasonably expected to be unbiased regarding the outcome.


**** me, this has been gone over so many ******* times, and answered every ******* time.

******* hell, where's your post so I can ******* rate you down? Smiley: mad
#53 Oct 15 2009 at 6:27 AM Rating: Excellent
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Gbaji will complain that the Hawaiian woman never signed an affidavit or some shit.

Really, Gbaji's definition of "proof" is meaningless. Worthless. No one in the judicial system gives a fuck what Gbaji's definition of proof is. When cases have been dismissed all across the nation, coast to coast and from lower tier courts to the Supreme Court, there's little use in debating with Gbaji about what the law really says. Gbaji claims (heh) not to be a birther even as he exhibits the same devoted blindness to the truth and insistance that the next judge won't be some terrible, horrible activist hack who doesn't understand the law and THEN you'll see some real justice get done...
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#54 Oct 15 2009 at 7:00 AM Rating: Good
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The ultimate truth is that you cannot convince someone of something they don't want to believe. Even if Obama were to show his birth certificate on national television or scan it and post it at whitehouse.gov, these ******* lunatics would say it was a fake.
#55 Oct 15 2009 at 7:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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Gbaji claims (heh) not to be a birther even as he exhibits the same devoted blindness to the truth and insistence that the next judge won't be some terrible, horrible activist hack who doesn't understand the law and THEN you'll see some real justice get done...


My favorite part is where the judge refused to overstep his authority as a civilian jurist by intervening in military matters, and got castigated from the right for not being activist enough. Smiley: laugh

Well, my favorite part is where Gbaji claims to know more about Federal law than a sitting Federal judge. But the other is a close second.



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#57 Oct 15 2009 at 7:18 AM Rating: Excellent
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Edited, Oct 15th 2009 6:18am by Samira
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#58 Oct 15 2009 at 7:21 AM Rating: Good
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What gives anyone the reason to think they have the right to see his birth certificate? You don't have the experience to prove it's real or fake, nor a legitimately official position to do... ANYTHING after seeing it.

You might as well ask me if you can see mine. And no. No you can't.
#59 Oct 15 2009 at 7:45 AM Rating: Excellent
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Mine lists my official place of birth as Hinsdale Hospital & Sanitarium which always amused me since it makes my mom sound like a mental inmate.
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#60 Oct 15 2009 at 7:53 AM Rating: Good
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Mine lists my official place of birth as Hinsdale Hospital & Sanitarium which always amused me since it makes my mom sound like a mental inmate.

Whereas my father sounds perfectly respectable on my birth certificate, given his listed occupation, when in fact he was a thieving, raping, drugging-without-consent-or-knowledge, violent, psychotic cult leader who got Certified as Insane.
#61 Oct 15 2009 at 9:09 AM Rating: Excellent
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Whatever that animal is, it is ridiculously cute and depressed all at once.
It's Smiley: spam
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#63 Oct 15 2009 at 9:12 AM Rating: Excellent
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The whole birther fantasy is just ridiculous on its face. They posit that a 9 months pregnant woman flew to Kenya, which wouldn't have been permitted in 1961 to begin with. There, she supposedly gave birth in front of carefully gathered witnesses, then flew back to Hawaii within three days' time (which would also have been unheard of in 1961). Why the Hawaiian paper would have reported a birth that didn't happen locally is a mystery.

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#64 Oct 15 2009 at 9:34 AM Rating: Excellent
Also nevermind that one of Obama's teachers at the Punahao school discussed his birth with his mother's obstetrician. They were friends, and meeting for a local cup of coffee, and she asked him how his week had been and if anything interesting happened. "Well, a Stanley gave birth," he said, "That's something to write home about."

He also called the son's name, Barack Hussein Obama, "very musical" and noted the father was the first black exchange student at the University of Hawaii.

Obama's teacher was even more surprised when he went to school with her years later, and when he ran for President, commented that she was probably one of the few people left in Hawaii that remembered when he was born.
#65 Oct 15 2009 at 9:59 AM Rating: Excellent
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The whole birther fantasy is just ridiculous on its face. They posit that a 9 months pregnant woman flew to Kenya, which wouldn't have been permitted in 1961 to begin with. There, she supposedly gave birth in front of carefully gathered witnesses, then flew back to Hawaii within three days' time (which would also have been unheard of in 1961). Why the Hawaiian paper would have reported a birth that didn't happen locally is a mystery.


I dunno. I heard the story first broke in The Quibbler. They got that Harry Potter interview right, so there might be something to it.
#66 Oct 15 2009 at 2:41 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
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Look. I just had to provide a complete full birth certificate to get a passport. Not an electronic copy.


I wish they'd given me my original birth certificate instead of just a copy when I got my passport, seeing as you and Obama somehow got theirs in the process. I'm guessing his copy was good enough for the federal government, why not enough for you, birther?


Hello? McFly? You don't get the "original". But you get one that has all of the full data on the original including seal, and is printed on special paper made specifically for those documents.


You are a fucking moron.

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Get it? They released a birth certificate which would not be sufficient to obtain a passport or a social security card, and passed it off as proof that he met the Constitutional criteria to be President. Whether you think Obama was born in the US or not, you should agree that the document they presented is *not* sufficient.


Yes, but he had a passport way back in 1981. He obviously had to show proof of his Hawaii certificate (a copy like everyone else you stupid ****) to allow travel to both Indonesia and Pakistan. Good enough for a passport, good enough for me. This is beside the fact that Obama's records were inappropriately accessed three times last year. I'd say that the people digging the dirt then would have happily dished your Smiley: tinfoilhat theories to the public.

I certainly don't doubt the people that have actually viewed the original certificate. How many times have you went in and viewed your original birth certificate? I've never seen mine, only copies.




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If you still at this point--10/15/2009--don't believe that Obama is a legal American citizen, you are beyond the help of rational, logical thought.

Edited, Oct 15th 2009 3:42pm by Paskil
#67 Oct 15 2009 at 2:50 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yes, but he had a passport way back in 1981. He obviously had to show proof of his Hawaii certificate (a copy like everyone else you stupid ****) to allow travel to both Indonesia and Pakistan. Good enough for a passport, good enough for me. This is beside the fact that Obama's records were inappropriately accessed three times last year.


According to birthers, this doesn't matter. He probably just showed the certificate of live birth, which doesn't list the hospital he was born in. "BECAUSE IT WAS IN KENYA!" Thanks, Varus and Gbaji, we get it. The fact that it's good enough for Congress, good enough to become president, and good enough for a passport doesn't make it good enough for the birthers. And if it is ever released and a hospital is shown, it'll be a fake.


Locke slips a hand in his sleeve and mumble "Confundo!" The birthers keep their paranoid delusions.
#68 Oct 15 2009 at 3:27 PM Rating: Excellent
I haven't seen my own original birth certificate. I have the copy my parents were given when I was born, and another copy made when we thought the first one was lost (but later found it.) The original is locked away in a vault in Augusta someplace.

For kids born these days, the "original" exists solely in electronic format and all paper copies are just that, copies.
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Hello? McFly? You don't get the "original". But you get one that has all of the full data on the original including seal, and is printed on special paper made specifically for those documents.


Yeah, hi, defender of states rights. There is no Federal Birth Certificate. What your BC looks like having been born in CA in the 60s bears zero resemblance to what my BC looks like having been born in Boston in the 70s. None. It's FUCKING COMPLETELY ARBITRARY. My "Original" birth certificate literally has no space for the name of the hospital I was born at, or the delivery doctor. It also incorrectly lists my mother's occupation at the time as "Pharmacist." She was a paralegal.

To sum up, allow me to point out for the 10000000th time that YOUR PERSONAL EXPERIENCE DOES NOT I REPEAT: NOT EXTRAPOLATE TO ANYTHING.
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I just looked at mine again out of curiousity and... I was wrong. It doesn't say "Hinsdale Hospital & Sanitarium".


It says "Hinsdale Sanitarium & Hospital" Smiley: laugh So the sanitarium gets top billing.
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#71 Oct 15 2009 at 8:18 PM Rating: Good
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A lot of Hawaiians have said their birth certificates, the ones they used to get passports, etc, look exactly like Obama's does.

Try again.


Thats a lot of imaginary birth certificates.

Just kidding, I've been baffled at the whole birth certificate issue since I first heard about it. Its sad at the lengths that the same people who supported Bush so adamantly will go to try and prove that Obama isn't a legitimate president.

Though the way things are going now, all it does it make me chuckle whenever I hear about stuff like the thread topic.
#72 Oct 15 2009 at 8:38 PM Rating: Good
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I had to obtain a copy of my birth certificate 5 years ago to get my passport, and when they brought me a copy there were two mistakes. My last name had been spelled wrong, and it listed my father's name as "David". It's Daniel. I told the lady, and she had me come back with my grandma to verify the info and then they changed it.
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Guenny wrote:
I had to obtain a copy of my birth certificate 5 years ago to get my passport, and when they brought me a copy there were two mistakes. My last name had been spelled wrong, and it listed my father's name as "David". It's Daniel. I told the lady, and she had me come back with my grandma to verify the info and then they changed it.


You were adopted. They just never told you, and it was easier to say that the government made a mistake.
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#74 Oct 16 2009 at 11:43 AM Rating: Good
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for years of I only had a Slip of Legal paper that Stated that the Certificate of my Birth was on File in Cook Co. Ill, that gave my first and last name. It was all my parents needed and was accepted as an legal document.

When I was mugged and had to replace my state ID card, we found they would no longer accept it, so we call and had a copy of the original mail to us overnight. That's when we learn that the someone had spell my middle name wrong adding an 'i' to Clare. Of course where was no time to change it, before I got a new id card, so now legally my middle name is spelled wrong and doesn't agree with Church records of my baptism and confirmation.

I blame my mom for not spell checking the information taken at the hospital. I know I had to correct the nurses when they were putting down my daughter's names. Then giving one them the male spelling Rene after their Cajun great step grandfather didn't help. In fact I gave 2 of my daughter's male first names. Was fun when youngest had very short hair.
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Of course where was no time to change it, before I got a new id card, so now legally my middle name is spelled wrong and doesn't agree with Church records of my baptism and confirmation

Yeah, you know if those don't match against the Book of Life at the pearly gates, Peter isn't allowed to let you in...
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Of course where was no time to change it, before I got a new id card, so now legally my middle name is spelled wrong and doesn't agree with Church records of my baptism and confirmation

Yeah, you know if those don't match against the Book of Life at the pearly gates, Peter isn't allowed to let you in...


Jonwin, who did attend Seminary at one time, saids that Church papers in this case override civil papers, so I'm okay when it comes to St Peter.

Now, since we all know the Devil works for the government, it may just keep me from going to Hell.

Then I rather go to Hel.

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