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#127 Oct 09 2009 at 1:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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#128REDACTED, Posted: Oct 09 2009 at 1:18 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Elne,
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#130 Oct 09 2009 at 1:22 PM Rating: Good
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Pubes has really lost his amusing quality.

It's like he isn't even trying to be coherent or even remotely direct anymore.
#131 Oct 09 2009 at 1:23 PM Rating: Excellent
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Why would I apologize for people who are speaking the truth?

Smiley: laugh Ah, so predictable.
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#132 Oct 09 2009 at 1:23 PM Rating: Excellent
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Hopefully, this surprise award will give the President cause to reevaluate his current course.


I'm not sure how Rep. Barrett expects that to work, exactly. The NPP is hardly a smack on the nose with a newspaper.

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#133 Oct 09 2009 at 1:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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Dude, according to the Pubbie Machine, this is the Liberal Conspiracy turning Obama into a puppet for their goal of destroying the United States!

I heard Rush Limbaugh say it so I know it's true.

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#134 Oct 09 2009 at 1:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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My favorite bit of Pubbie whining so far comes from John Bolton:
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The Nobel committee is preaching at Americans, but they won't be deceived. He should decline it and then ask to be considered again in three or four years when he has a record.

I was nominated three years ago and I'm still waiting for the call. Today’s news is just another demonstration of how politicized the Nobel Peace Prize has become, from President Carter winning in 2002, to Al Gore in 2007, and President Obama in 2009.

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#136 Oct 09 2009 at 1:35 PM Rating: Excellent
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Better wind it up, then.

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#137REDACTED, Posted: Oct 09 2009 at 1:37 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Samy,
#138 Oct 09 2009 at 1:43 PM Rating: Good
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Samy,

Who the h*ll is Trotta? And that was a very stupid thing she said.



Please, for this one time stop being a ***** and just apologize.
#139 Oct 09 2009 at 1:46 PM Rating: Good
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Idiotic on the part of the Nobel comittee. Puts Obama in a ****** no win situation. Obviously he doesn't deserve it. He also can't refuse it. It also dimishes the status of the award itself. Arafat and Gore, the two most recent questionable winners at least both had reasonably long records of working towards *something*. Obama has great potential, but that shouldn't be what this prize is about.
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#140 Oct 09 2009 at 1:52 PM Rating: Good
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lmao...good one.


Check my sig and remember I never claim to be perfect. Then neither is the spell checker that can't tell when I mis used a word in the contents of my writing.

I expect errors so little boys who tend to think they are something, go driving around so to pick up empty headed college students, all just so they can prove how manly they are, don't impress me.

Still I see you rather go rant how unworthy our President is of the NPP, then be happy he is humble to admit that he doesn't feel he deserves it, compared to those who were given the award before him.
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#141 Oct 09 2009 at 2:14 PM Rating: Decent
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Has anyone else started to become tired of trying to debate with Varus, TheifX, and Gbaji? I find that I would love to debate politics and personal views with people more willing to actually think about what has been said as opposed to replying instantly with the same things they've already said.


To Varus & TheifX:

As a supposed "liberal"(I am not a liberal, dammit), I will come right out and say this: Barack Obama has done nothing truly deserving of a Peace Prize. Good intentions are good, but by no means are they worth looking at while deciding on a recipient for such an award. While I will not agree with Varus' and Theif's opinions that he was given the award because of his skin colour, I will say that it was probably given to him because of the hype surrounding him, and because the moment it would have come out that he had been nominated but not given the award, a hundred thousand people would have started screaming, "RACISTS!!!". And that's just plain wrong. They(the NPP people) can come up with whatever excuse they'd like, but they just gave away an award in order to avoid being called racists. Hooray.

I will also say that you cannot blame Obama for an economy he inherited, but you also cannot blame him for only taking half-measures to fix it because of the way the broken "democratic" system works where even if he came up with the perfect idea that could fix everything in as little as a day(I know this is impossible but I'm using it to get a point across), it would not be passed because the republicans wouldn't support it because it was an idea from a democrat.

I give up, I'm not going to bother wasting my time on this ridiculousness where every political discussion and debate turns into an argument about Obama. Yes, I realize that this one was about Obama from the start, but really, this is just getting silly.
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#142 Oct 09 2009 at 2:52 PM Rating: Good
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They(the NPP people) can come up with whatever excuse they'd like, but they just gave away an award in order to avoid being called racists. Hooray.


Hey look, we're in agreement on the triple threat here being idiots, but you don't fight stupidity with ignorance.

http://www.aaregistry.com/detail.php?id=297 wrote:
The first Nobel Prizes were awarded in 1901, it was not until 1950 that a Black person was a recipient. An African American from Detroit, Dr. Ralph J. Bunche was the first black man to receive the distinguished prize for his work as a United Nations mediator; his efforts led to the 1949 Arab-Israeli armistice agreement.

ten other remarkable Blacks have received a Nobel: Albert John Luthuli, 1960 Peace Prize; Martin Luther King Jr., 1964 Peace Prize; Sir William Arthur Lewis, 1979 Economics Prize; Bishop Desmond Tutu, 1984 Peace Prize; Wole Soyinka, 1986 Literature Prize; Derek Walcott, 1992 Literature Prize; Toni Morrison, 1993 Literature Prize; Nelson Mandela, 1993 Peace Prize, Kofi Annan 2001 Peace Prize and Wangari Maathai, 2004


The decision to give the NPP to Obama was almost certainly not backed by racism or fear of such a label.
#143 Oct 09 2009 at 2:58 PM Rating: Excellent
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I will say that it was probably given to him because of the hype surrounding him, and because the moment it would have come out that he had been nominated but not given the award, a hundred thousand people would have started screaming, "RACISTS!!!". And that's just plain wrong. They(the NPP people) can come up with whatever excuse they'd like, but they just gave away an award in order to avoid being called racists. Hooray.

The Committee doesn't disclose nominees for fifty years after that year's awards. Of course, if someone knows they were nominated, nothing's stopping them from saying so (like Limbaugh did) but the Committee doesn't speak of it.

Had Obama not won, no one would have even known he was nominated. Did you know until today he was up for the award? Saying they gave it to him to avoid being called racist is silly.
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#144 Oct 09 2009 at 3:03 PM Rating: Default
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The decision to give the NPP to Obama was almost certainly not backed by racism or fear of such a label.


Your quote there just shows a list of people who received the award. However, you haven't proven that if Obama hadn't been given the prize, that a large amount of people would have intevitably come out calling them racists because they did not just hand the award over to Obama. Because you cannot prove that, you also cannot prove that the idea of that happening, wasn;t one of what I assume to be several deciding factors.

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I will say that it was probably given to him because of the hype surrounding him,


I put more weight on that statement of mine, than on the racism one, I was merely pointing out that it could very well have been the case in our modern world of political correctness and stupidity, that the fact that many people would have been irritatingly dumb enough to call them racists if they didn't give him the prize, could have been one of the factors in deciding whether or not to give him the prize.

Either way, he hasn't done nearly enough to deserve it.
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#145 Oct 09 2009 at 3:04 PM Rating: Default
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Had Obama not won, no one would have even known he was nominated. Did you know until today he was up for the award? Saying they gave it to him to avoid being called racist is silly.


People have mouths, and they like to run them for their moment in the spotlight, regardless of position, intelligence, education, and common sense. It would have come out.
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People have mouths, and they like to run them for their moment in the spotlight, regardless of position, intelligence, education, and common sense. It would have come out.

So, really, you're just saying against any evidence to to the contrary that you just know it's true and no one can prove it's not true so it must be true.


Oooooooooooohhhhh-kay then.
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So, really, you're just saying against any evidence to to the contrary that you just know it's true and no one can prove it's not true so it must be true.


Oooooooooooohhhhh-kay then.


The thing about what I said is that I never once said it was true based on fact. I voiced my opinion. I'm free to believe what I want, and you are free to believe what you want. I may be wrong, and if I am, oh well. But I just cannot understand how they could give Obama a ******* Peace Prize if these things never weighed into how they made their decision at all.

The evidence to the contrary is a statement released by those who give out the prize saying that they want to support what he's trying to do. It's pathetic. I'm not going to trust it just because someone on the committee said it.

You don't give someone a reward for good intentions, you reward them for actions. I apologize if I offend those who would truly like to believe that Obama has done amazing things that would warrant receiving a peace prize, but I just don't buy it.

Giving Obama a Peace Prize this early is like putting a student on the honor roll during the first week of the school year because they say they're going to do well.
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Um... Not that this isn't a stupid line of reasoning to begin with, but did you bother to read the article, or watch the video? She was responding to insinuations that Hillary Clintons statements could be interpreted as a call to assassinate then Senator Obama. She was jokingly taking Clinton's side, not expressing a desire of the Right.

She wasn't saying those things, she was jokingly referring to what the Clinton camp was saying. Find someone who's actually advocating for the assassination of Obama and not joking about someone else saying something that might be doing so, and you might be close.


As to the prize itself? Well. If anyone was still unsure as to the utter irrelevance of being a recipient of this prize, here's your proof. The prize is supposed to be awarded based on actions done, not promises made or potential. While there have been some incredibly questionable recipients in the past, you could at least look at some kind of significant and ongoing work towards something which had something to do with peace (even if in a very meandering way).

Obama hasn't done anything. He hasn't fought for anything. He's been a figurehead of a movement infatuated with what he might do, or could do, or maybe even will do, but that's just not even in the same league as folks who ended Apartheid, or helped end an oppressive violent regime somewhere, or brokered a peace between warring factions. Heck. As much as I think Gore's win was absurd, you could at least argue that he was in fact an instrumental figure in the results of the IPCC's decisions and whatever resulting effects that may have.


Obama simply hasn't actually done anything yet. He's talked about what he'll do, but that's not the same thing. All he's actually accomplished was getting elected. What he's actually able to do with that is yet to be seen. I just think that this was a really horrible choice. He's going to be in office at least 4 more years. They couldn't maybe wait and see before deciding to give it to him?


The award isn't supposed to be about encouraging results, but recognizing them. that doesn't mean that you don't congratulate him officially, but I don't think there's anyone out there who legitimately believes that he really should have received it. Ok. Maybe some really nutty liberals (which apparently includes the Nobel prize panel themselves), but that's about it.


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#149 Oct 09 2009 at 3:28 PM Rating: Decent
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Giving Obama a Peace Prize this early is like putting a student on the honor roll during the first week of the school year because they say they're going to do well and because they did a ton of extra credit the previous summer, including completing an assignment that no other member of their class was able to complete, and have the support of the majority of their fellow students.


If you're going to use an analogy, at least make it accurate.
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Grandfather Driftwood wrote:
Giving Obama a Peace Prize this early is like putting a student on the honor roll during the first week of the school year because they say they're going to do well and because they did a ton of extra credit the previous summer, including completing an assignment that no other member of their class was able to complete, and have the support of the majority of their fellow students.


If you're going to use an analogy, at least make it accurate.


Honor roll works differently where you come from...where I come from, it's based solely on grades, so my analogy is accurate based on my knowledge. I'll rephrase it though.

Giving Obama a Peace Prize this early is like putting a student who did some average work the previous year on the current year's honor roll because they said they'd do well.
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