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#52 Oct 09 2009 at 7:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'd put it ahead of Obama's nomination any day. Considering that Obama's nomination seemed to be based on his rock-hard abs, it's no real contest.


Actually it was based on the colour of his skin.

That and his ***** is slightly larger than Clinton's, AMIRITE??
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#53REDACTED, Posted: Oct 09 2009 at 7:36 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Samy,
#54 Oct 09 2009 at 7:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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W liberated millions from a homicidal dictator and the world hated him for it because he didn't get the worlds permission.

Obviously W needs better PR.

But chin up! History will vindicate him! Maybe he can get his NPP posthumously.
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#55 Oct 09 2009 at 7:38 AM Rating: Good
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W liberated millions from a homicidal dictator and the world hated him for it because he didn't get the worlds permission.


Yeah, there's ONE interpretation of it. *Rolls eyes*
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#57 Oct 09 2009 at 7:38 AM Rating: Good
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Maybe he can get his NPP posthumously.


Like Gandhi did!

Oh... wait...

Edited, Oct 9th 2009 11:43am by LockeColeMA
#58REDACTED, Posted: Oct 09 2009 at 7:39 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Jophed,
#59 Oct 09 2009 at 7:39 AM Rating: Good
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Locked,

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Even if his stuff fails, right now he's trying


It's sad you think someone should be awarded something even if they fail miserably, but that's liberalism.



You're just jealous because you keep failing miserably all the time and never get an award for it.
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#61 Oct 09 2009 at 7:40 AM Rating: Decent
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publiusvarus wrote:
poodle,

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I'd put it ahead of Obama's nomination any day. Considering that Obama's nomination seemed to be based on his rock-hard abs, it's no real contest.


Actually it was based on the colour of his skin.



The colour of his taut, glistening skin, pulled tight over that six-pack of steel. They probably recognised that one day, Obama is going to just rip his shirt off in the middle of a speech to the UN and achieve world peace just by flexing.

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Here you go. You know it's not going to kill you to say W removing Saddam from power was a good thing.


It probably was a good thing in theory, but it was

a) twelve years too late
b) extremely poorly planned

Edited, Oct 9th 2009 3:42pm by zepoodle
#62REDACTED, Posted: Oct 09 2009 at 7:41 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Bert,
#63 Oct 09 2009 at 7:41 AM Rating: Good
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Even if his stuff fails, right now he's trying


It's sad you think someone should be awarded something even if they fail miserably, but that's liberalism.



Uh...

what?

I don't you understand what the peace prize is for, either. Is Tibet free? Is there peace in the middle east? Did we protect the Vietnamese from the Viet Cong? Are there still human rights abuses? Is global warming still an issue?

Look at the list of recipients. It looks like a lot of people are failing and winning this prize. Obama hasn't even failed anything yet and you're trying to rag on him :-P
#64REDACTED, Posted: Oct 09 2009 at 7:43 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Locked,
#65REDACTED, Posted: Oct 09 2009 at 7:43 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Still waiting for any liberal to explain what Obama has done for world peace.
#66 Oct 09 2009 at 7:44 AM Rating: Excellent
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Another day another ***** reference.

It's important to know your audience.
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#67 Oct 09 2009 at 7:44 AM Rating: Excellent
publiusvarus wrote:
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You're just jealous because you keep failing miserably all the time and never get an award for it.


Liberalism 101: attack the opposition rather than deal with the issue.



Pot, kettle, etc.

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Remind me again what Obama did to earn this "honour"?



Reasons have been stated a few times already. I agree it's soon, but I can understand the reasons.
Even by "just" getting elected, he's inspired a lots of people all over the world.
#68 Oct 09 2009 at 7:45 AM Rating: Excellent
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Still waiting for any liberal to explain what Obama has done for world peace.

Given that the liberal response 'round these parts has been "Huh.", you might be waiting a while. Maybe you should take your complaints to the Prize Committee.
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#69 Oct 09 2009 at 7:51 AM Rating: Excellent
I think Varrus should get the next NPP, all his douchebaggery here really unites all the liberals.
#70 Oct 09 2009 at 7:55 AM Rating: Good
I think the big thing that tipped it to him was the decision to remove the planned missile shield from Poland. The entire bloated plan was a ******* pointless waste of taxpayer dollars for unproven technology that wasn't going to do anything other than give the middle finger to Russia and the Middle East.

It was a sore point between the US and Russia, with overtones of a new cold war. If the US ever got around to actually implementing it, Russia would have felt compelled to respond with something similar.

By simply saying, "This is a ******* pointless waste of taxpayer dollars and we're not going to do it" Obama calmed down the tension in the situation instantly. Russia immediately withdrew their plans to respond.

#71 Oct 09 2009 at 7:57 AM Rating: Excellent
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Disenchanted as I am with incompetent left-wing parties this side of the pond, I'll buck the trend here and say that I think the award going to Bazza is as justified as any alternative.

(Although I did think Morgan Tsvangirai was a more obvious candidate)

First off, calling the award 'political' is like calling water 'wet' - The Nobel Peace Prize (as opposed to lit, chem, phys etc.) is and always was an opportunity for the reformed vikings to prove that they like warmth and fuzziness and have turned their backs on raping sheep in Yorkshire at axe point.

As for the merits, the full citation sheds light and provides decent justification:

The Nobel Citation wrote:
The Norwegian Nobel Committee has decided that the Nobel Peace Prize for 2009 is to be awarded to President Barack Obama for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and co-operation between peoples.

The Committee has attached special importance to Obama's vision of and work for a world without nuclear weapons.

Obama has as president created a new climate in international politics.

Multilateral diplomacy has regained a central position, with emphasis on the role that the United Nations and other international institutions can play.

Dialogue and negotiations are preferred as instruments for resolving even the most difficult international conflicts.

The vision of a world free from nuclear arms has powerfully stimulated disarmament and arms control negotiations.

Thanks to Obama's initiative, the USA is now playing a more constructive role in meeting the great climatic challenges the world is confronting.

Democracy and human rights are to be strengthened.

Only very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world's attention and given its people hope for a better future.

His diplomacy is founded in the concept that those who are to lead the world must do so on the basis of values and attitudes that are shared by the majority of the world's population.

For 108 years, the Norwegian Nobel Committee has sought to stimulate precisely that international policy and those attitudes for which Obama is now the world's leading spokesman.

The Committee endorses Obama's appeal that "Now is the time for all of us to take our share of responsibility for a global response to global challenges".


So the headlines are:

Obama has embraced diplomacy in a way the Dubya never understood, and Clinton handled with little finesse. His acceptance that dialogue (even with nasty smelly shouty people) is worth considering is refreshing to most of the rest of the world.

The fact that he's talking seriously about anti-proliferation planning seemed to get the scandinavians' thongs moist too.

I think the biggest thing (reading between the lines) is bringing USA back into the UN in a meaningful way. Under the last administration, USA diminished UN's ability to influence the quirkier nations like China, Russia and Korea. Under Obama, there's now closer alignment between the big biys (look at the world stance on N Korea - Russia and China spent the last few years saying "Leave 'em alone Bush, ya big doody-head", while now it's more "OK Korea - stop being a knob-head 'cause we're all getting a bit pissed at you")

Finally, the fact that the White House is speaking in a level way about Palestine & Israel probably swung it. Without pissing on the Jewish lobby, Obama's taking a measured stance on Israeli occupation of foreign territory, suggesting to Hamas that AK-47s tend to upset the Israelis probably sounds sweet to the Nobel dudes.

On the other hand, it would be nice to think that it was a conspiracy to tip Rush Limbaugh's angina over the edge. Smiley: lol
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#73 Oct 09 2009 at 8:00 AM Rating: Excellent
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I was surprised as anyone, but can't fault his reaction:

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(CNN) -- President Obama on Friday said he was "surprised and deeply humbled" by winning the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize.

President Obama, speaking Friday, said the award was "an affirmation of American leadership."

"I do not view it as a recognition of my own accomplishments, but rather as an affirmation of American leadership," Obama said from the White House Rose Garden.

"I will accept this award as a call to action."

Obama said he did not feel he deserves "to be in the company" of past winners.


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#74 Oct 09 2009 at 8:03 AM Rating: Decent
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ere you go. You know it's not going to kill you to say W removing Saddam from power was a good thing.


It was not necessarily a good thing. On the one hand, yeah, an evil dictator was removed from power. On the other hand, It was an unprovoked war that has lead to many more deaths and will cause thousands more before inevitably, another evil dictator takes over.

Also, you don't win a peace prize for starting a war by bombing the **** out of a city without provocation.

Anyway, though...


Why the @#%^ is Obama winning a Nobel Peace Prize? I mean, I'm not saying that he hasn't done anything, but come on, what exactly did he do to deserve it?

Edited, Oct 9th 2009 12:06pm by Driftwood
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#75 Oct 09 2009 at 8:31 AM Rating: Decent
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He's won the Nobel Peace Prize? What on earth has Obama done to deserve that?

Nobel Taking the Peace Prize more likely...
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#76 Oct 09 2009 at 8:55 AM Rating: Excellent
Really, all you people who keep wondering sarcastically why he got it should just read the first few paragraphs of the article.

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The Nobel Committee said he won it for "his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and co-operation between peoples".

The committee highlighted Mr Obama's efforts to support international bodies and promote nuclear disarmament.


Basically, its a recognition of his reversal of Bush's anti-world policies. Maybe not worthy of a NPP yet, but...

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Mr Obama - woken up with the news early on Friday - said in an address at the White House that he was "surprised and deeply humbled" by the award.

He said he did not feel he deserved to be in the company of some of the "transformative figures" who had previously received the award.

Speaking outside the White House, he said he would accept the prize as a "call to action".


Sounds like he's with the rest of you in thinking it's a bit premature. Good on him for saying so and promptly assigning it to the motivational category.

Edited, Oct 9th 2009 11:55am by BrownDuck
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