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CNN wrote:

'Fed' scrawled on body of hanged census worker

Despite this being just one lil isolated instance - it creeps me out.

Do you think electing a black president has added to the rage level of those, um, groups of peeps that are already anti-government, or does the wrath find most anything to feed on?

Based off of....? I'm not saying its racial but it certainly does seem antigovernment.

Writing "Fed" on the corpses of your lynching victims is SOP these days.

Edited, Sep 29th 2009 3:42pm by Jophiel

Which begs the question of why you'd try to handwave it away as "drug dealers" instead of just saying "Yeah, it sure looks like anti-government sentiment had something to do with it but I don't know if it has anything to do with Obama rather than regular ole anti-government kooks."

I'm not really sure how anybody could reasonably inject race into this particular incident. The census worker was an old white guy and he was murdered in rural Kentucky. Like gbaji said, he probably just stumbled onto a major pot farm or some other criminal activity and was hanged for it. The term "fed" is often used by criminals and criminal organizations to refer to any non-local authority. As for the whole anti-government argument? I doubt it - at least, no more so than any criminal (organization) would be. It's most likely an isolated incident, not a symbol of the redneck backwoods Kentucky militia or something.

How about we look at the facts provided, rather than guessing as to possibilities? How you arrived at "drug dealers" is beyond me, as none of the evidence (as yet) points to this.

The UN Commission on Torture ruled that it involved drug dealers, and you can't argue with international law. Even if the law is made up.

Even if it is true, the answer isn't "Refuse to take the census" (which is what she was saying people should do and she said she herself would refuse to take it) and certainly not "kill census workers before they lock you away" (which is what some could take it as) but rather "fight the unlawful internment of citizens". The problem with the WWII internment of Japanese-American citizens wasn't the misuse of census data, it was the internment of Japanese-American citizens. I don't think anyone sane would say "Man, I sure wish we could have rounded those guys up without having to use this census data".

Also, dropping the "I'm not sayin' you know, I'm just sayin'..." implication is irresponsible. If she legitimately fears that her census data will be used to round her up, she should just say so instead of taking the opportunity to stoke anti-government sentiment with implied threats while covering her *** with "But I'm not sayin' it..."

So Native Americans should expect to be slaughtered by the military and African Americans should expect to wear shackles once more? No wonder you guys want your guns so badly.

Obviously when federal census folks come asking innocent questions.

I really wish I still had that free premium, because the eyeroll smiley is so appropriate here!

Also, cue the call for "What you mean, YOU PEOPLE"?

I suppose the obvious answer is that if you have an issue with it you should be using political power to change it. Apparently, judging from comments of yours like

you think that your legislators are incompetent or don't care for the interests of their citizens; and also that the government is secretly passing these sneaky laws to imprison Americans. Well, the problem is obviously your representatives. You should either be running for office yourself, or making sure "good" reps get in who do care. If you political party (and I don't care which party you support) doesn't care about it, then you're probably voting for the wrong people. Or maybe, just maybe, there's actually no real issue here besides paranoia.

And yet, no law like that was passed, and even discrimination at airports is fought with lawsuits. Heck, our society is so PC that ANY potential infringement on minorities can elicit a huge outcry. So... history didn't repeat itself. Sure, it could, but with the availability of information a public outcry is a lot more likely, news coverage more probable, and large-scale over discrimination on a governmental basis nigh-impossible.



Yup, sounds like basic paranoia. You work yourself up into a frenzy over something that isn't happening, and then when someone gets killed, you say "Yeah, that was bad, but look, there was a reason people were worried!" If something like this happens, what WOULD you do? You're asking the questions. If the army came to round you up because of your race, I'm guessing you would willingly submit. I mean, assuming Rush said so.

It'd also have been much more difficult, if not impossible, without the US military. So we should disband the military, right? In fact, I bet that while you could pull it off without census data, it'd be impossible to pull off without the military in some regard. It'd also be more difficult, if not impossible, to do without federally owned land. So the obvious answer is to stop allowing the government to own and maintain land. Did you know the government spent tax money on doing it? We need to stop paying any taxes because it would have been much more difficult, if not impossible, to do it without any money.

Hell, I'd bet that disbanding the military, disallowing the government to own any land and stopping any funding from ever reaching the government will be much, much more successful in stopping internment programs than anything having to do with the census.

Or, you know, you could admit that all those things have obvious benefits and perhaps trying to prevent their abuse is much more intelligent than a knee-jerk throwing out of the baby with the bathwater. Especially when you wrap it in a blanket of "The government is gonna getcha! (But I'm not really sayin' it's gonna getcha! (but it is))"


Honestly, I'm not even worried about answering that. Not that it wouldn't be an interesting debate on its own but it's neither here nor there towards the census as a general program.

Edited, Sep 30th 2009 9:18am by Jophiel

Well many of the radical anti-gov groups are white-supremacists. Their whole reason to exist is because they are racists. So no, I don't think it's a stretch at all.

I'm not sure what drug dealing has to do with the murder of this guy. There is no evidence that he was buying or selling drugs. ALL the evidence says he died because he worked for the government.




Edited, Sep 30th 2009 5:31pm by Elinda