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More Evidence That Torture Doesn't WorkFollow

#1 Sep 21 2009 at 10:49 AM Rating: Excellent
https://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/episode.cfm?id=torture-interferes-with-memory-09-09-21

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You’ve heard of waterboarding used as a means to get suspected terrorists to talk. Some people object to such methods on the grounds that they amount to torture. But in the journal Trends in Cognitive Sciences, psychologist Shane O’Mara of Trinity College in Dublin raises another objection: torture's not likely to work.

Proponents claim that waterboarding's effective because prisoners will tell the truth to make the interrogation stop. But O’Mara says that’s not supported by scientific evidence. Harsh interrogation doesn’t motivate prisoners to tell the truth. It motivates them to talk. Because while they’re talking they’re not being waterboarded. But that doesn’t mean that what they say is true.

What’s more, prolonged extreme stress impairs memory retrieval. American Special Ops soldiers have been shown to have trouble recalling things they’d learned before being subjected to food- or sleep-deprivation as part of their training. That’s because stress hormones can compromise brain activity, especially in regions involved in memory.

O’Mara notes that mildly stressful events actually facilitate recall. So simply capturing, moving and then questioning prisoners, he says, should be stressful enough to get the information flowing.


And that is why conservatives despise the educated liberals and their fancy, elitist peer reviewed publications. They prove their talking points wrong too often.

Edited, Sep 21st 2009 2:49pm by catwho
#2 Sep 21 2009 at 10:59 AM Rating: Good
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I've known this for over fifteen years.

If you fucking beat this prick long enough, he'll tell you he started the goddamn Chicago fire, now that don't necessarily make it fucking so!

Edited, Sep 21st 2009 2:59pm by Debalic
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#3REDACTED, Posted: Sep 21 2009 at 11:01 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Cat,
#4 Sep 21 2009 at 11:02 AM Rating: Excellent
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Do you really think this is the first study to support this? Hell, people in the State Department have been saying the same thing for years.

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#5 Sep 21 2009 at 11:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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Has the whole ******* world forgotten the old axiom "the ends don't justify the means?"
#6 Sep 21 2009 at 11:20 AM Rating: Excellent
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Professor AshOnMyTomatoes wrote:
Has the whole @#%^ing world forgotten the old axiom "the ends don't justify the means?"

If the ends is bombing brown people, then any means whatsoever!
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we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
#7REDACTED, Posted: Sep 21 2009 at 11:36 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Debo,
#8 Sep 21 2009 at 11:43 AM Rating: Excellent
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Do you even realize how stupid that sounds?


It's never stopped you before.
#9ThiefX, Posted: Sep 21 2009 at 12:37 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Educated Liberals, lol. No such thing.
#10 Sep 21 2009 at 12:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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Educated Liberals, lol. No such thing.


Smiley: dubious

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#11REDACTED, Posted: Sep 21 2009 at 12:43 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Nadenu,
#12 Sep 21 2009 at 1:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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Nadenu,

Nor you apparently.


Ah, the impassable "NO U" argument.

I tip my hat, good sir.
#13 Sep 21 2009 at 1:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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Educated Liberals, lol. No such thing.


Smiley: dubious

It's a miracle that they've managed to take over the educational system, huh?
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#14 Sep 21 2009 at 1:32 PM Rating: Good
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ThiefX wrote:
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More Evidence That Torture Doesn't Work


Except of course when it does work. Which it has many times but we can just ignore all of that though...........


Except of course when it doesn't work. Which has happened many times but we can just ignore all of that though. Because. You know. It's clearly a liberal making this statement. And we don't like liberals.

...yeah.
#15 Sep 21 2009 at 1:34 PM Rating: Good
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When does it work? Is it reliable as a method? Because if it isn't--it sounds worse than doing nothing, meaning that you ruin your ability to use effectivce methods.
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#16 Sep 21 2009 at 1:34 PM Rating: Good
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CBD wrote:
ThiefX wrote:
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More Evidence That Torture Doesn't Work


Except of course when it does work. Which it has many times but we can just ignore all of that though...........


Except of course when it doesn't work. Which has happened many times but we can just ignore all of that though. Because. You know. It's clearly a liberal making this statement. And we don't like liberals.

...yeah.


If you take a deck of cards and randomly draw one and try to guess what it is without looking, you will be right 1/52 times.
#17 Sep 21 2009 at 1:41 PM Rating: Good
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Bardalicious wrote:
If you take a deck of cards and randomly draw one and try to guess what it is without looking, you will theoretically be right 1/52 times.


Fixed!

I still think he's a sock.
#18 Sep 21 2009 at 1:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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Nah, not a sock. He *is* a troll, though. No one could possibly be as stupid as he claims to be and still be able to sit upright long enough to post without drooling all over the keyboard.
#19 Sep 21 2009 at 1:44 PM Rating: Decent
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Thanks for that, I suppose expecting people to read with general understanding is a big no-no here.

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I still think he's a sock.

who me?

Edited, Sep 21st 2009 4:45pm by Bardalicious
#20 Sep 21 2009 at 1:46 PM Rating: Decent
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Bardalicious wrote:
CBD wrote:
ThiefX wrote:
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More Evidence That Torture Doesn't Work


Except of course when it does work. Which it has many times but we can just ignore all of that though...........


Except of course when it doesn't work. Which has happened many times but we can just ignore all of that though. Because. You know. It's clearly a liberal making this statement. And we don't like liberals.

...yeah.


If you take a deck of cards and randomly draw one and try to guess what it is without looking, you will be right 1/52 times.
Only if you guess the same card every time until it pops up, can you say this with certainty.

Edited, Sep 21st 2009 5:50pm by boywithoutaspoon
#21REDACTED, Posted: Sep 21 2009 at 1:50 PM, Rating: Unrated, (Expand Post) Torture works. It's really that simple.
#22 Sep 21 2009 at 1:51 PM Rating: Good
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publiusvarus wrote:
Torture works. It's really that simple.

Jesus was a transvestite. It's really that simple.


Oh look, I can make obscure, unprovable statements too!
#23 Sep 21 2009 at 1:51 PM Rating: Excellent
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publiusvarus wrote:
Torture works. It's really that simple.


If that were true, you would have broken us a long time ago.
#24 Sep 21 2009 at 1:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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Nadenu wrote:
publiusvarus wrote:
Torture works. It's really that simple.


If that were true, you would have broken us a long time ago.
He's a closet liberal, ensuring that we all stay married to the Liberal Agenda.
#25 Sep 21 2009 at 1:54 PM Rating: Good
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Only if you guess the same card every time until it pops up, can you say this with certainty.


You fail statistics forever.
#26 Sep 21 2009 at 1:58 PM Rating: Good
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publiusvarus wrote:
Torture works. It's really that simple.

Well, I for one am glad we have your highly-qualified, unbiased statements of fact here to guide us.
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