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#152 Oct 20 2009 at 9:53 PM Rating: Excellent
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Ironically, the "legislation [...] to try to prevent those sorts of abuses from happening again" in the Halliburton case was voted against by thirty GOP senators. Which was kind of the whole reason for the thread bump.

Sadly, Gbaji refuses to discuss that and would rather use some delusional notion about Acorn as his shield. So long as he can keep screaming "ACORN!!" over and over again and pretend that no one has condemned it, he can remain willfully blind to what his party is doing. If he hadn't been doing it for weeks, you could almost convince yourself that the first twenty times he ignored people saying "Congress was right to defund Acorn" were on accident.

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#153 Oct 20 2009 at 10:02 PM Rating: Good
Yep, there are thirty pro gang rape republicans in Washington. Family values, indeed.
#154 Oct 20 2009 at 10:03 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji was so angry at Acorn, he started to harass random squirrels in the park.
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#155 Oct 20 2009 at 10:07 PM Rating: Good
Annabella, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
gbaji was so angry at Acorn, he started to harass random squirrels in the park.


This may well be the funniest thing you ever have or will post.
#156 Oct 20 2009 at 11:29 PM Rating: Decent
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Man, both of my damn senators? How come my state has to be part of the pro-rape lobby?
#157 Oct 21 2009 at 12:07 AM Rating: Good
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One of ours, too. But then, John Thune is just a mouthpiece who looks good in a suit.
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#158 Oct 21 2009 at 1:40 AM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:
Ironically, the "legislation [...] to try to prevent those sorts of abuses from happening again" in the Halliburton case was voted against by thirty GOP senators. Which was kind of the whole reason for the thread bump.


I knew you'd jump on this point, which is why I left it out there.

They voted against it because the legislation is too broad. It effectively means that anyone can shut down any private contractor doing business with the government simply by suing them. Don't we have enough problems with litigation gone awry? This will only fuel the fire as every liberal legal organization in the country will start filing lawsuits against any corporations they don't like, knowing that win or lose, those companies will not be able to get funding while the lawsuits are in play.

More relevantly, it'll be used as yet another lever to force unlegislated mandates on companies. Simply by threatening to sue unless they do X, Y, and Z, they can force companies to do what they want. We have far too many of these sorts of non-legislated regulation being done behind closed doors, this would create a huge new one.


Tell you what though. If it's good for the goose, it's good for the gander, right? How about we expand that to any organization receiving *any* funding from the US government, contract or not. Want to see every Democrat in office leave skid marks to vote against that kind of bill? Can you guess why?



A better approach would be to restrict funds based on actual legal results, not merely the presence of a challenge. If a company is found to have been involved directly in illegal activities of a specific set, then their funding and/or contracts are suspended. Let's punish people for what they actually do, not what someone claims they do. We are supposed to have an "innocent until proven guilty" assumption in our legal system, right?
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#159 Oct 21 2009 at 5:43 AM Rating: Excellent
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So, rather than defend it's citizens from wrong doings, you're saying the GOP decided to try and block a peice of legislation that would protect them and their money(tax dollars), instead of allowing it and later ammending it to be better defined?

Interesting.
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#160 Oct 21 2009 at 6:12 AM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
They voted against it because the legislation is too broad. It effectively means that anyone can shut down any private contractor doing business with the government simply by suing them.

No, it's not. That's pure bullshit. Halliburton is "threatened to be shut down" every time someone sues them? Really? Does the company have a legal department of one intern whose job it also is to run the entire company?

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This will only fuel the fire as every liberal legal organization in the country will start filing lawsuits against any corporations they don't like, knowing that win or lose, those companies will not be able to get funding while the lawsuits are in play.

This is hilarious because it proves what I already knew: You don't read the legislation, you only have knee-jerk partisan responses to it that boil down to "Protect the GOP!!"

The Amendment wrote:
Sec. 8104. (a) None of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available by this Act may be used for any existing or new Federal contract if the contractor or a subcontractor at any tier requires that an employee or independent contractor, as a condition of employment, sign a contract that mandates that the employee or independent contractor performing work under the contract or subcontract resolve through arbitration any claim under title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 or any tort related to or arising out of sexual assault or harassment, including assault and battery, intentional infliction of emotional distress, false imprisonment, or negligent hiring, supervision, or retention.
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(b) The prohibition in subsection (a) does not apply with respect to employment contracts that may not be enforced in a court of the United States.


The legislation plainly states that the government won't do business with a company whose policy is to require arbitration in cases involving the set criteria. Not that anyone suing the company means they stop getting paid. If you're a company, you just allow employees to access the court system if they want to sue you rather than binding them to an arbitration process as a result of their employment.

Honestly, Gbaji. The legislation was only one paragraph long. Are you that unwilling to read something rather than just fucking make up what it says to appeal to your bias?

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If it's good for the goose, it's good for the gander, right? How about we expand that to any organization receiving *any* funding from the US government, contract or not. Want to see every Democrat in office leave skid marks to vote against that kind of bill? Can you guess why?

Fine by me. Call Mitch McConnell and have him place that onto the next bill. Tell me how it goes. Oh wait! If it doesn't happen, I'm going to say "Want to guess why???"

But, hey, excellent job of completely missing the point, lying about what the bill says AND defending your precious Halliburton all in one short post!
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#161 Oct 21 2009 at 6:15 AM Rating: Excellent
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Uglysasquatch the Prophet wrote:
So, rather than defend it's citizens from wrong doings, you're saying the GOP decided to try and block a peice of legislation that would protect them and their money(tax dollars), instead of allowing it and later ammending it to be better defined?

To be fair, it probably takes time for Gbaji's pundits to tell him what the party line all the way over there in Asia. I mean, God knows he didn't develop his "opinions" by reading the mammoth one paragraph of text that was posted here and which made up the entire amendment.
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#162 Oct 21 2009 at 6:24 AM Rating: Good
You think he'll admit he interpreted it wrong?

I'm guessing no.
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#163 Oct 21 2009 at 6:28 AM Rating: Good
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You think he'll admit he interpreted it wrong?

I'm guessing no.
He didn't interpret it wrong. All of us did.
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#164 Oct 21 2009 at 6:28 AM Rating: Excellent
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You think he'll admit he interpreted it wrong?

That wasn't even "interpreting" it wrong. That was plain "not reading it and just making up what you bet it says". How do you interpret that paragraph to read what Gbaji claims it says? By huffing paint?
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#165 Oct 21 2009 at 7:09 AM Rating: Decent
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gbaji wrote:
We have far too many of these sorts of non-legislated regulation being done behind closed doors, this would create a huge new one.


You mean, the kind of legislation that is explicitly not behind closed fucking doors because the justice happens in a court of law and not behind closed doors due to a piece of legislation which is written explicitly to enable transparency of closed doors? Are you high?

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More relevantly, it'll be used as yet another lever to force unlegislated mandates on companies.


Do you know what a law is? A law is a legislated mandate. "Comply with the law" is the very definition of a legislated mandate. God damn it man.

Edited, Oct 21st 2009 9:11am by Pensive
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