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#102 Sep 14 2009 at 6:34 PM Rating: Default
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Oh, but yours are so obviously facts! It's Obvious!


They're obviously true. But that's because only really really smart people can figure things out for themselves. ;)

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You are so funny when you are indignant.


You'd be indignant too (and amused, as I usually am) when the solution to a problem is so painfully obvious to you it's hard to imagine that anyone couldn't see it, much less automatically arrive at the same conclusion, yet so many people fail to do so...


To me, the relationship between the existence of entitlement programs and the corresponding changes in behavior of those who receive them is obvious. It's as obvious as understanding that if you chum the waters, you'll draw sharks. If you provide free stuff to people, you'll increase the number of people who'll show up for the free stuff. Duh. And once people get used to getting free stuff, they'll support politicians who promise to keep giving it to them, or increasing what they get. Duh. And once you understand that, the political reasons why a political party might advocate increased government freebies is... well... obvious.
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#103 Sep 14 2009 at 6:36 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
I don't point to a third party who believes the same as I do when supporting the "facts" of my position.

You're not being entirely accurate here. Often the third party is referenced to provide expert testimony.
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That's the trend I was talking about. When I state a position, I back it up with a step by step explanation of my reasoning. Most people just point to some other source as though since they believe X to be true, it must be true.

The problem is that often yours, mine, or most anyone else's reasoning on this board is completely irrelevant. My reasoning on whether the LHC presents a significant threat or not is meaningless. I do not have the qualifications to opine on that topic. The best I can do is cite the commentary of physicists working on the project. It is not only a completely valid way to argue, but is honestly the only way we could have a meaningful discussion on the topic.

Many discussions had in the Asylum are basically a battle of expert testimony. Each side presents witnesses, and the opposing side questions the validity of the witnesses' testimony.
#104 Sep 14 2009 at 6:36 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
I don't point to a third party who believes the same as I do when supporting the "facts" of my position.

That's the trend I was talking about. When I state a position, I back it up with a step by step explanation of my reasoning. Most people just point to some other source as though since they believe X to be true, it must be true.

You see the difference, right? Oh. Who am I kidding? Of course you don't. Most of the people on this board haven't had an original though enter their brains since they were 5, and wouldn't recognize one if their lives depended on it.


This is priceless. gbaji finally admits that he doesn't give a **** about facts, because he knows so much more than everyone else.

Carry on with your intelligent, bad *** self.
#105 Sep 14 2009 at 6:38 PM Rating: Good
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Technogeek wrote:
Oh, but yours are so obviously facts! It's Obvious!


They're obviously true. But that's because only really really smart people can figure things out for themselves. ;)

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You are so funny when you are indignant.


You'd be indignant too (and amused, as I usually am) when the solution to a problem is so painfully obvious to you it's hard to imagine that anyone couldn't see it, much less automatically arrive at the same conclusion, yet so many people fail to do so...


To me, the relationship between the existence of entitlement programs and the corresponding changes in behavior of those who receive them is obvious. It's as obvious as understanding that if you chum the waters, you'll draw sharks. If you provide free stuff to people, you'll increase the number of people who'll show up for the free stuff. Duh. And once people get used to getting free stuff, they'll support politicians who promise to keep giving it to them, or increasing what they get. Duh. And once you understand that, the political reasons why a political party might advocate increased government freebies is... well... obvious.



Hahahhhahhahhaaa. Sometimes I can't figure out if a really bad troll, or you truly believe what you type.

You believe you are a complete expert on every subject ever posted on here, and are always right.

Pass what you are smoking.
#106 Sep 14 2009 at 6:46 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
To me, the relationship between the existence of entitlement programs and the corresponding changes in behavior of those who receive them is obvious. It's as obvious as understanding that if you chum the waters, you'll draw sharks. If you provide free stuff to people, you'll increase the number of people who'll show up for the free stuff.

I did just finish stating that my opinion is largely worthless, but I'm fine with a little technical doublespeak.

I don't wish to short change you ff this is a very concisely summarized version of your opinion, leaving out what you consider minor details. However, there appears to be an important detail neglected. You are assuming no cost for not providing entitlement programs. There are costs attached to not giving people money. They aren't always greater than the cost of providing a service, but you are making a huge mistake by completely ignoring them.

Why do businesses sometimes continue running product lines that are clearly generating negative returns? There are many reasons, but one possibility is that the cost of not running the product line is greater.

Edited, Sep 14th 2009 9:50pm by Allegory
#107 Sep 14 2009 at 6:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
You expected me to say "Yes. If there are sufficient resources I not only support but encourage socializing virtually every basic service"?


Well only a soulless and totally evil person who glorifies work as an end in itself instead of a necessary means to the ends of current living wouldn't answer that way, so yes, I expected that.

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I find that had to believe.


That says much more about you than about me.

gbaji wrote:
I'll again engage in speculation and guess that your motivation is to avoid an answer.


If we want to make wild and untrained psychological evaluations of each other, I'll engage in speculation and posit that you feel the need to intuit a devious motive in any question that I've asked you, ever, because you have a deep inability to trust other people, which would grant a ton of legitimacy and consistency to most of the points you talk about concerning government.

That is, I would say something like that if I was to engage in baseless and untrained speculation.

Otherwise, you can translate a rhetorical question into a declarative statement like anyone else and read it as, "Government and personal economics are not the same, for many reasons, and this is why we have entirely different ways of thinking about them. Whereas a person must save and invest so he can participate in local economics, a government has no such obligation, because the concepts of money and value are even more transparent and meaningless than they already were."
#108 Sep 14 2009 at 6:55 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji finally admits that he doesn't give a sh*t about facts


Only finally?
#109 Sep 14 2009 at 7:02 PM Rating: Good
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To be fair, I wasn't around for that. And if I was, it would have been the same situation as now, where I fell asleep at the beginning of his post and woke up somewhere in Smash's.

I'll revise that statement to "finally, relatively concisely, admits."

Edited, Sep 14th 2009 11:03pm by CBD
#110 Sep 14 2009 at 7:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:


Do you? Show me that generational poverty between 1940 and 1960 was lower than it was between 1990 and today. I'm not going to do your research for you. I'm not the one arguing that we don't have enough government entitlement.


No, you are the one arguing that generational poverty never existed before entitlement programs. Back it up, *****.
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#111 Sep 14 2009 at 7:56 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:

We've created generational poverty in this country as a result of entitlement programs. We never had it before, but we do now.
that's a pretty bold statement that you're not willing to back up. I'll counter it with my own unproven musings. I think enough of those caught in generational poverty have found there way out, exclusively due to 'entitlements' to offset all those you claim have ended up in generational poverty because of entitlements.
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#112 Sep 14 2009 at 8:14 PM Rating: Excellent
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You'd be indignant too (and amused, as I usually am) when the solution to a problem is so painfully obvious to you it's hard to imagine that anyone couldn't see it, much less automatically arrive at the same conclusion, yet so many people fail to do so...


To me, the relationship between the existence of entitlement programs and the corresponding changes in behavior of those who receive them is obvious. It's as obvious as understanding that if you chum the waters, you'll draw sharks. If you provide free stuff to people, you'll increase the number of people who'll show up for the free stuff. Duh. And once people get used to getting free stuff, they'll support politicians who promise to keep giving it to them, or increasing what they get. Duh. And once you understand that, the political reasons why a political party might advocate increased government freebies is... well... obvious.


Perhaps you need to learn a little about game theory. And societal modeling. And perspective.
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#113 Sep 19 2009 at 11:30 AM Rating: Default
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You are already the recipient of government largesse. We all are.

This has been pointed out many, many times.


Ya. Big govt programs have worked so well right?

SSI is in debt and so is medicare. Not just a little, but to the tune of trillions.

Is this what you are relying on for your medical future?
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