The parents are pissed off about a photo of their son with his legs blown off, but ok with their son having been sent to a pointless war to to shoot people and get shot at, in the first place?
I think they are probably angry at the wrong people really.....
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paulsol wrote:
I think they are probably angry at the wrong people really.....
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It's easier to monger war when you don't have a vicious and clear idea in your head that it hurts people. That doesn't mean you can't monger it regardless, nor does it mean that the absence of the clear idea that you will necessarily go to war, but it's a way of approaching the subject honestly.
Yeah, no sh*t, Pensive.I agree with you. We've had so much hidden us "in the name of common decency" during this war. We as a society should be able to handle the reality of death. His death wasn't a private or shameful act. It was done during the context of a government conflict. It's news. It's actually what is going on there. If you compare the photographs we saw in Vietnam vs. what we see here, we've been given such a G-rated version of what is going on there-- from the time the government refused to show coffins towards the beginning of the war until now. I think Joph has a good point and am not sure if showing grim realities will make a difference in terms of public opinion but I do think it is newsworthy.
Edited, Sep 6th 2009 5:12pm by Annabella
Turin wrote:
Seriously, what the f*ck nature?
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The same way any half decent lawyer would get a jury to side with their client, by making them, the victim, whatever, someone they can relate to, and a pitcure of a dying soldier isn't someone they all clearly relate to. A brother, son, boyfriend is though, and that's something you get with a separate picture.
You think such an image would be more striking then a corpse?
Just as Planned.
Timelordwho wrote:
You think such an image would be more striking then a corpse?
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#82ThiefX,
Posted: Sep 06 2009 at 3:32 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Lol, so just so we understand, Paramedics are people who are not smart enough to pass medical school? Thats your answer to my post, Thats what you got? Paramedics are stupid.
ThiefX wrote:
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And for the record. Im a Paramedic.
Probably not, although you do display the requisite "too stupid to make it through medical school" vibe and tweeker characteristics so as to make it barely plausible.
Probably not, although you do display the requisite "too stupid to make it through medical school" vibe and tweeker characteristics so as to make it barely plausible.
Lol, so just so we understand, Paramedics are people who are not smart enough to pass medical school? Thats your answer to my post, Thats what you got? Paramedics are stupid.
Im curious what do you do for a Living? Im just curious because you hang you in a game message board with a bunch of fellow liberals posting curse filled tirades on subjects that were not even mentioned hoping someone will rate it up so for a brief second you can somehow feel validated, so Im guessing someone with your obvious advanced intellect must have graduated MIT early and is out making the world a better place.
Am I correct?
(btw the part about your advanced intellect was me being sarcastic)
Who could probably truly not care any less than he does about being rated up, haha.
The rest of it was pretty accurate, though, as far as I know. With the stipulation that the implication that he's a loser for posting on a message board applies to all of us equally.
The rest of it was pretty accurate, though, as far as I know. With the stipulation that the implication that he's a loser for posting on a message board applies to all of us equally.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
That would make me a loser through assocaition. No thanks, I'd rather earn that distinction myself.
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Uglysasquatch wrote:
That would make me a loser through assocaition. No thanks, I'd rather earn that distinction myself.
You already have, Ugly.
*huggles*
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He's a computer consultant and part-time poker player.
So is that a neat way of saying he works at Best Buy in the computer Dept and plays Uno on the weekend with his family?
ThiefX wrote:
So is that a neat way of saying he works at Best Buy in the computer Dept and plays Uno on the weekend with his family?
You are an insightful young lad.
I still think you're a sock.
ThiefX wrote:
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He's a computer consultant and part-time poker player.
So is that a neat way of saying he works at Best Buy in the computer Dept and plays Uno on the weekend with his family?
Samira wrote:
Who could probably truly not care any less than he does about being rated up, haha.
The rest of it was pretty accurate, though, as far as I know. With the stipulation that the implication that he's a loser for posting on a message board applies to all of us equally.
The rest of it was pretty accurate, though, as far as I know. With the stipulation that the implication that he's a loser for posting on a message board applies to all of us equally.
The curse-filled tirades part was true, at least. As they say, one out of three ain't bad.
Annabella, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
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It's easier to monger war when you don't have a vicious and clear idea in your head that it hurts people. That doesn't mean you can't monger it regardless, nor does it mean that the absence of the clear idea that you will necessarily go to war, but it's a way of approaching the subject honestly.
Yeah, no sh*t, Pensive.I agree with you. We've had so much hidden us "in the name of common decency" during this war. We as a society should be able to handle the reality of death. His death wasn't a private or shameful act. It was done during the context of a government conflict. It's news. It's actually what is going on there. If you compare the photographs we saw in Vietnam vs. what we see here, we've been given such a G-rated version of what is going on there-- from the time the government refused to show coffins towards the beginning of the war until now. I think Joph has a good point and am not sure if showing grim realities will make a difference in terms of public opinion but I do think it is newsworthy.
I think maybe there's a bit of confusion regarding my opinion here, so let me state very clearly that I'm absolutely NOT opposed to showing the grim realities of war and letting the (educated) public pick and choose what it wants to see. That's life, and war's a nasty business. It shouldn't be censored just to keep the public opinion in favor of political agendas.
My only opposition to this particular story, and the source of my "common decency" argument was that the family practically PLEADED with the AP not to release the photo to the public and the AP director not only had the gall to publish the photos but to publicly humiliate the family by saying they were shown the photos out of courtesy, not to obtain their permission. It's disrespect with a slap in the face for good measure. Disgusting, IMO.
Edit: currency != courtesy
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BrownDuck wrote:
I think maybe there's a bit of confusion regarding my opinion here, so let me state very clearly that I'm absolutely NOT opposed to showing the grim realities of war and letting the (educated) public pick and choose what it wants to see. That's life, and war's a nasty business. It shouldn't be censored just to keep the public opinion in favor of political agendas.
My only opposition to this particular story, and the source of my "common decency" argument was that the family practically PLEADED with the AP not to release the photo to the public and the AP director not only had the gall to publish the photos but to publicly humiliate the family by saying they were shown the photos out of currency, not to obtain their permission. It's disrespect with a slap in the face for good measure. Disgusting, IMO.
My only opposition to this particular story, and the source of my "common decency" argument was that the family practically PLEADED with the AP not to release the photo to the public and the AP director not only had the gall to publish the photos but to publicly humiliate the family by saying they were shown the photos out of currency, not to obtain their permission. It's disrespect with a slap in the face for good measure. Disgusting, IMO.
It is very odd to me to have someone say, "We should show these pictures, but not this one."
I sympathize with these parents, though I admit I have no idea why they are opposed to having this picture viewed. It makes no sense whatsoever to me that these parents said, "My son died in Afghanistan, but please don't show the picture." Why not? And why should they garner special privileges that no one else gets when a newspaper decides to run a picture?
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It makes no sense whatsoever to me that these parents said, "My son died in Afghanistan, but please don't show the picture." Why not?
I'd guess for some desire to avoid publicizing their child, which would somehow **** on his memory. You know, there's always the whole idea of remembering someone as they lived instead of how they died. It's the same reason lots of people tell me they want to be cremated or have closed casket funeral, instead of parading everyone around.
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My only opposition to this particular story, and the source of my "common decency" argument was that the family practically PLEADED with the AP not to release the photo to the public and the AP director not only had the gall to publish the photos but to publicly humiliate the family by saying they were shown the photos out of currency, not to obtain their permission.
I'm not sure it was about humiliating the family or why you think that it would be a public humiliation--on AP's behalf as much as it is making it clear what their position is. And realistically, they are being honest. It is photojournalism and I think that it makes sense that in that particular case, they are valid in admitting that showing them the picture is just a courtesy.
In the end it is a dispute about private vs. public in terms of this type of war journalism--the family's wishes vs. the public's right to know and/or the journalist's right to publish. Attaching morality seems somewhat out of place--I'd think about it more in terms of ethics of their profession. And ethically, I don't think that the AP was out of place.
Turin wrote:
Seriously, what the f*ck nature?
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
BrownDuck wrote:
I think maybe there's a bit of confusion regarding my opinion here, so let me state very clearly that I'm absolutely NOT opposed to showing the grim realities of war and letting the (educated) public pick and choose what it wants to see. That's life, and war's a nasty business. It shouldn't be censored just to keep the public opinion in favor of political agendas.
My only opposition to this particular story, and the source of my "common decency" argument was that the family practically PLEADED with the AP not to release the photo to the public and the AP director not only had the gall to publish the photos but to publicly humiliate the family by saying they were shown the photos out of currency, not to obtain their permission. It's disrespect with a slap in the face for good measure. Disgusting, IMO.
My only opposition to this particular story, and the source of my "common decency" argument was that the family practically PLEADED with the AP not to release the photo to the public and the AP director not only had the gall to publish the photos but to publicly humiliate the family by saying they were shown the photos out of currency, not to obtain their permission. It's disrespect with a slap in the face for good measure. Disgusting, IMO.
It is very odd to me to have someone say, "We should show these pictures, but not this one."
I sympathize with these parents, though I admit I have no idea why they are opposed to having this picture viewed. It makes no sense whatsoever to me that these parents said, "My son died in Afghanistan, but please don't show the picture." Why not? And why should they garner special privileges that no one else gets when a newspaper decides to run a picture?
Try to imagine your husband in a serious car accident where his body is nearly cut in half and the only thing holding him together is the one thing the rescue persons have to remove to get him out of the wreck. Imagine your last moments being interrupted by a swarm of reporters with their lights and cameras in his face to the point where you cant even kiss him good bye or hold him one last time. This family didn't even get to see him one last time. That bloody photo of his dismembered and dying body may be the last time they'll ever see him alive. It's an intimate thing, and I can perfectly understand them not wanting to share it with the entire world.
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Samira wrote:
Who could probably truly not care any less than he does about being rated up, haha.
The rest of it was pretty accurate, though, as far as I know. With the stipulation that the implication that he's a loser for posting on a message board applies to all of us equally.
The rest of it was pretty accurate, though, as far as I know. With the stipulation that the implication that he's a loser for posting on a message board applies to all of us equally.
The curse-filled tirades part was true, at least. As they say, one out of three ain't bad.
And the liberal part. Smash is way left of me, and that's pretty far left.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Smash is way left of left.
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Uglysasquatch wrote:
Smash is way left of left.
You know what they say about 3 left turns...
Uglysasquatch wrote:
Smash is way left of left.
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If no one debated with me, then I wouldn't post here anymore.
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I'm not getting my news from anywhere Joph.
BrownDuck wrote:
Try to imagine your husband in a serious car accident where his body is nearly cut in half and the only thing holding him together is the one thing the rescue persons have to remove to get him out of the wreck. Imagine your last moments being interrupted by a swarm of reporters with their lights and cameras in his face to the point where you cant even kiss him good bye or hold him one last time. This family didn't even get to see him one last time. That bloody photo of his dismembered and dying body may be the last time they'll ever see him alive. It's an intimate thing, and I can perfectly understand them not wanting to share it with the entire world.
That wouldn't be my husband. Not to mention that he works for a newspaper, so I kind of know that he'd want his picture in the paper in the name of freedom of the press.
Different strokes for different folks, I get that. It wouldn't matter to me what they did with a picture of his mangled body. It wouldn't be him. And if his car accident was a mission to save American lives from the Taliban, well, I'd be all for him being made into a hero.
If it's in the paper and it upsets you, don't buy the paper. Seriously, this is Internet 101 here.
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