Yeah, sure. THAT'S what you meant by "Not if you believe in h*ll", and my reading comprehension is the problem.
Oh, lawd.
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Rehab? What the h*ll does that have to do with justice? What about the rights of the people who were raped, tortured, and murdered? Do they get a second chance to be somewhere else before these horrific crimes were perpetrated on them?
According to my religion, yes.
publiusvarus wrote:
Samy,
No; your public high school reading comprehension skills have failed you once again. I simply implied that we can't know whether life in prison is more of a punishment than the death penalty.
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You're really against life imprisonment as opposed to the DP because you're afraid prisoners will have a chance to avoid hell?
No; your public high school reading comprehension skills have failed you once again. I simply implied that we can't know whether life in prison is more of a punishment than the death penalty.
So you're saying whether or not people should be executed should be based on whether or not they believe in hell? If yes, off with their heads, if no, lock them up?
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publiusvarus wrote:
Samy,
No; your public high school reading comprehension skills have failed you once again. I simply implied that we can't know whether life in prison is more of a punishment than the death penalty.
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You're really against life imprisonment as opposed to the DP because you're afraid prisoners will have a chance to avoid hell?
No; your public high school reading comprehension skills have failed you once again. I simply implied that we can't know whether life in prison is more of a punishment than the death penalty.
So you're saying whether or not people should be executed should be based on whether or not they believe in hell? If yes, off with their heads, if no, lock them up?
No. He's simply saying that if Hell exists, then the death penalty could be a worse punishment than life in prison.
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At least take 2 seconds to google before you say something completely stupid. People did not just magically start paying/dodging taxes in the 50's. The taxing authority was renamed to the IRS in the 50's.
/whoosh
Nothing I said was false.
Edited, Sep 4th 2009 3:25pm by Timelordwho
Just as Planned.
publiusvarus wrote:
Tulip,
They're pretty slow aren't they.
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No. He's simply saying that if Hell exists, then the death penalty could be a worse punishment than life in prison.
They're pretty slow aren't they.
No, I think it's more that they're used to you saying something that moronic, so it's an automatic assumption.
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publiusvarus wrote:
Tulip,
They're pretty slow aren't they.
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No. He's simply saying that if Hell exists, then the death penalty could be a worse punishment than life in prison.
They're pretty slow aren't they.
No, I think it's more that they're used to you saying something that moronic, so it's an automatic assumption.
No, actually it's that I tend to respond more to what he actually says than to what he obviously means.
I'm seeing if negative reinforcement works on borderline retards. So far no luck, but I'm having fun.
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No; your public high school reading comprehension skills have failed you once again. I simply implied that we can't know whether life in prison is more of a punishment than the death penalty.
That's frankly moronic, but unsurprising that you hold that viewpoint.
The purpose of the death penalty/life imprisonment is not spite.
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No. He's simply saying that if Hell exists, then the death penalty could be a worse punishment than life in prison.
Yes, but a finite Jailterm + an eventual potentially painful death + possibility for an infinite term in Hell works out to be more punishment(and let me reiterate that this should not be the goal of a justice system) than Painless death + possibility for an infinite term in Hell. Whether or not Hell exists is irrelevant, because both cases contain it.
I guess the only way you could realistically make the death penalty create more punishment than life imprisonment, and only in situations where Hell does exist, is if you forced them to kill themselves assuring them of Hell even if they were innocent. But that would be an even more ****** up "system of justice".
Edited, Sep 4th 2009 3:50pm by Timelordwho
Just as Planned.
Two unknowables are not "just as likely". I know you can't suss out why that may be.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
publiusvarus wrote:
Tulip,
They're pretty slow aren't they.
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No. He's simply saying that if Hell exists, then the death penalty could be a worse punishment than life in prison.
They're pretty slow aren't they.
But that's not what you said.
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Life Imprisonment allows for:
1. being a worse punishment overall than Death.
1. being a worse punishment overall than Death.
Not if you believe in h*ll.
There's nothing in Varrus's original statement about the existence of hell. He only comments on the belief in Hell. He says that if you believe in hell, there is a worse punishment than Death... not "if Hell exists." Which is silly, because they'll die eventually anyway and if Hell exists, go there.
The proper response would have been
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Life Imprisonment allows for:
1. being a worse punishment overall than Death.
1. being a worse punishment overall than Death.
Not if Hell exists
I feel kinda like Pensive, arguing over the proper way to argue. I can sorta see why he keeps doing it, though.
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Now take a deep breath, count to ten, then try and understand the context in which I said what I did.
Aripya was assuming life in prison would be a worse punishment than death. No one can know this. Therefore it is just as likely that a h*ll does exist. And putting a rapist, torturer, murderer to death would be much harder on the criminal than simply sitting him in cell. Have I lost you yet?
Ah, but not true. Because if hell doesn't exist, he gets off easy; thus just by executing him you have a 50% chance of giving him an "easy" time (assuming death is not considered a "harsh" punishment compared to life in prison, if hell doesn't exist). Thus you'd be better off jailing him first, because whether hell exists or not, he has a larger punishment. After all, 60 years in prison against an eternity of hell = an eternity of hell. Because eternity is all of time, so 60 years isn't anything (numerically speaking).
Of course, all of this assumes the purpose of the death penalty or life imprisonment is to cause suffering.
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Locked,
It could be.
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Ah, but not true.
It could be.
Well sure. It could be that when we die we get to ride around on unicorns in a happy fun place regardless of what we did on earth, so by killing him sooner you're actually rewarding him.
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publiusvarus wrote:
Locked,
It could be.
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Ah, but not true.
It could be.
No, that's the thing. It isn't true.
Do you accept that Hell is eternal? That someone in hell is tortured for all of eternity?
If so, then no matter when a person goes there, it lasts for the same amount of time. Eternity is, in its very concept, without boundaries. It can have neither a beginning nor an end. No matter when someone goes to Hell, they are there forever.
Thus, it is ALWAYS better to jail someone for life first, then deprive them of life, than it is to just deprive them. Again, if torturing someone is your goal. Which it isn't for capital punishment.
I'm sorry, but it's kind of sad when Varus is being the reasonable one in this derailment XD
Not that god has any place in the laws of man. We might as well be writing rules based on the ******* smurf code of conduct at that point.
It was a miss understanding on wording; back on subject. You people are my only source of entertainment at work for the next hour or so.
Not that god has any place in the laws of man. We might as well be writing rules based on the ******* smurf code of conduct at that point.
It was a miss understanding on wording; back on subject. You people are my only source of entertainment at work for the next hour or so.
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And that's exactly the attitude that prompted me to ask you whether, as a God-fearing Christian, you were actually proposing that it is better to condemn someone to hell than it is to give them a chance to redeem themselves.
You're such a tool.
You're such a tool.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Busaman the Mighty wrote:
I'm sorry, but it's kind of sad when Varus is being the reasonable one in this derailment XD
Explain?
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I'm sorry, but it's kind of sad when Varus is being the reasonable one in this derailment XD
Are you out of your damn mind? The man is arguing for the death penalty because of something that may very well not exist.
"Guys, we should switch to purely electronic money, because some day an insect could populate the earth and have a strong desire to eat all our paper money!!"
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And I'm right, as usual.
You're adorable.
Read the entire ******* thread pensive, god.
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Edited, Sep 4th 2009 6:00pm by Pensive
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