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#27 Sep 02 2009 at 2:33 AM Rating: Decent
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I text, whilst washing down a cheeseburger with some beer. It's all good.

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Yeah um, I'm just gonna ahead and say that you have too much anger while driving. :p Flipping him off if he didn't move after you honked your horn to let him know you're there is ok.. but starting off that way is... yeah.


Except he saw me pulling up to the corner. And he stayed there. And he stayed there for a good few minutes with the van behind me stuck behind him (who didn't drive around him like I did).

He clearly didn't care that he was blocking traffic.
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#29 Sep 02 2009 at 3:21 AM Rating: Good
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I approve of this video. I just don't understand why anyone would text while driving...
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*Shrug* I've texted while driving, but I certainly try not too. Also, I don't look at the phone. It's like a keyboard; once you've learned where the keys are, you don't need to even look to type (note though that I use the old method of putting in letters, not T9 Word or whatever it's called). I find inputting alternate routes into my GPS a lot more distracting. As to WHY I need to reprogram my GPS, new construction often messes with the routes around Orlando. Two weeks ago it made me miss an exit on my way to Disney, and the alternate route sent me down a street that didn't exist. Stupid GPS.

The most dangerous thing I've done is driving while tired. Gosh, I HATE doing that. I will literally slap myself in the face in an attempt to wake up some more, and the first convenience store I get to I'll get out and down something filled with caffeine or sugar.
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Samira wrote:
To speak to the distraction argument again? it's not the fiddly wires that are a distraction but the fact that you're talking on the phone.
Yes, I remember when a study came out a few years ago showing this. It was rather surprising to the experts, iir, just how significant a distraction the conversation actually was versus the physical act of making the call.

I like to relax while I drive and rarely use a phone anyways - so it's easy for me to avoid.

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#32 Sep 02 2009 at 6:44 AM Rating: Good
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My city had a cell phone while driving banned on the ballot last Spring, it lost almost 2 to 1. Reasons? Well we are a college town, you come on a visit with your parents, and they get a ticket, prolly not great for business.


Would that matter? Would the visiting parents and the college kids even be voting in that town?
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
HunterGamma wrote:
My city had a cell phone while driving banned on the ballot last Spring, it lost almost 2 to 1. Reasons? Well we are a college town, you come on a visit with your parents, and they get a ticket, prolly not great for business.


Would that matter? Would the visiting parents and the college kids even be voting in that town?


Probably not, but business owners would, and being mean to the tourists would hurt their business! Money is more important than safety issues they don't fully understand when it comes to these tourism driven small business owners.
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#34 Sep 02 2009 at 7:55 AM Rating: Decent
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Forget talking on the phone. I miss turns on roads I drive every day when I'm talking to someone in the car with me.
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#35 Sep 02 2009 at 9:21 AM Rating: Good
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My city had a cell phone while driving banned on the ballot last Spring, it lost almost 2 to 1. Reasons? Well we are a college town, you come on a visit with your parents, and they get a ticket, prolly not great for business.


Would that matter? Would the visiting parents and the college kids even be voting in that town?


Probably not, but business owners would, and being mean to the tourists would hurt their business! Money is more important than safety issues they don't fully understand when it comes to these tourism driven small business owners.


Ooooh! I get it now. My mistake.
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Mistress Darqflame wrote:
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To speak to the distraction argument again? it's not the fiddly wires that are a distraction but the fact that you're talking on the phone.

This is true. Ever have a conversation with the passenger seated next to you and almost miss a turn that you make every day? Or have to completely block out what the person is saying from your brain while you merge onto the highway, or search for a new address?


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That's what I was thinking, doesn't matter, phone or next to you, still a distraction. However the biggest distraction I have ever had in the car.... a child!


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Admiral LockeColeMA wrote:
*Shrug* I've texted while driving, but I certainly try not too. Also, I don't look at the phone. It's like a keyboard; once you've learned where the keys are, you don't need to even look to type (note though that I use the old method of putting in letters, not T9 Word or whatever it's called). I find inputting alternate routes into my GPS a lot more distracting. As to WHY I need to reprogram my GPS, new construction often messes with the routes around Orlando. Two weeks ago it made me miss an exit on my way to Disney, and the alternate route sent me down a street that didn't exist. Stupid GPS.


If you need to use a GPS in your own city you're a moron. They're very useful for on the road and vacations and stuff but in your own area? That's just sad.





People who deny that it's a distraction are lying to themselves. Talking at all is a distraction. Some can multi-task better than others but the reality is your brain will focus more on one thing over another. How many of you ever get into a conversation while doing anything, not just driving, and actually stop listening to what someone is saying?
#37 Sep 02 2009 at 10:30 AM Rating: Decent
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This way you're actually testing how a largish set of people will actually be able to react to real situations they'll encounter while driving (but with cones and foam rubber obstacles instead of real ones). Do this, and I guarantee you that you'll find a dramatic difference between those who drive hands free and those who don't.
Lol... at guaranteed 'test' results.

It's pretty obvious that dialing a phone will be more of a distraction than NOT dialing a phone. However, Samira's point was that the conversation, regardless of whether it is initiated through a hands-free system or dialed up, is just as distracting as 'making the call'

There are plenty of studies to support this. It is 'different' holding a conversation with someone on the phone rather than a passenger sitting in the car next to you, as the person on the phone is not experiencing the same thing you are. I guarantee you, if you are driving a car and having a conversation with a passenger in the car, and you accidentally swerve off to the side of the road, that you ill get a different reaction from the passenger than than someone you might be having a conversation with over the phone, who will not be reacting, at all, to traffic, road conditions or anything else that's going on around you.

Obviously you want to justify the use of talking on your cell while driving. It's a distraction - I think that's undeniable. Convince yourself it's not enough of a distraction to be a safety issue, but that's situational. However, when on the road the situation changes constantly.
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Admiral LockeColeMA wrote:
*Shrug* I've texted while driving, but I certainly try not too. Also, I don't look at the phone. It's like a keyboard; once you've learned where the keys are, you don't need to even look to type (note though that I use the old method of putting in letters, not T9 Word or whatever it's called). I find inputting alternate routes into my GPS a lot more distracting. As to WHY I need to reprogram my GPS, new construction often messes with the routes around Orlando. Two weeks ago it made me miss an exit on my way to Disney, and the alternate route sent me down a street that didn't exist. Stupid GPS.


If you need to use a GPS in your own city you're a moron. They're very useful for on the road and vacations and stuff but in your own area? That's just sad.


People who think Orlando = Gainesville are probably even more moronic, amirite? Smiley: rolleyes
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Admiral LockeColeMA wrote:
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Admiral LockeColeMA wrote:
*Shrug* I've texted while driving, but I certainly try not too. Also, I don't look at the phone. It's like a keyboard; once you've learned where the keys are, you don't need to even look to type (note though that I use the old method of putting in letters, not T9 Word or whatever it's called). I find inputting alternate routes into my GPS a lot more distracting. As to WHY I need to reprogram my GPS, new construction often messes with the routes around Orlando. Two weeks ago it made me miss an exit on my way to Disney, and the alternate route sent me down a street that didn't exist. Stupid GPS.


If you need to use a GPS in your own city you're a moron. They're very useful for on the road and vacations and stuff but in your own area? That's just sad.


People who think Orlando = Gainesville are probably even more moronic, amirite? Smiley: rolleyes


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#41 Sep 02 2009 at 12:48 PM Rating: Good
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MentalFrog wrote:
Admiral LockeColeMA wrote:
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Admiral LockeColeMA wrote:
*Shrug* I've texted while driving, but I certainly try not too. Also, I don't look at the phone. It's like a keyboard; once you've learned where the keys are, you don't need to even look to type (note though that I use the old method of putting in letters, not T9 Word or whatever it's called). I find inputting alternate routes into my GPS a lot more distracting. As to WHY I need to reprogram my GPS, new construction often messes with the routes around Orlando. Two weeks ago it made me miss an exit on my way to Disney, and the alternate route sent me down a street that didn't exist. Stupid GPS.


If you need to use a GPS in your own city you're a moron. They're very useful for on the road and vacations and stuff but in your own area? That's just sad.


People who think Orlando = Gainesville are probably even more moronic, amirite? Smiley: rolleyes


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One of my favorite featuers on my GPS (Nuvi 760) is the bluetooth connectivity with phones. Whenever I get a call while I'm driving, it automatically gets redirected to my Nuvi, and all I have to do is touch a big "answer" button on the screen and I'm connected. The GPS's audio is directed to the car speakers, and it has a built-in microphone so I can just talk directly into it without having to deal with a headset. I also use my Nuvi to store and play all my of mp3's in the car, since it's a lot easier and safer to operate a large touch-screen on my dashboard than to try and fiddle around with my iPod.

I'm guilty of having texted while driving a couple of times, but both times I did it I became very aware that entering text on the iPhone's software keyboard was far, far more distracting and dangerous than operating my GPS or talking on the phone, so I dropped that habit pretty quickly. Saying "A distraction is a distraction" is a dumb oversimplification; there will always be distractions when you drive, the key is to minimize them and learn to keep your focus on the road.
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It's pretty obvious that dialing a phone will be more of a distraction than NOT dialing a phone. However, Samira's point was that the conversation, regardless of whether it is initiated through a hands-free system or dialed up, is just as distracting as 'making the call'


I agree that it's more distracting than not talking at all, and I'm even willing to grant that it might be more distracting than a conversation with someone in the car with you, but it's the whole "It's just as distracting as dialing on a phone you're holding in your hand" that IMO is just not supported by any data in any study.

It's inferred, usually by reporters writing articles about the studies, but I have yet to see a study which adequately tests the exact situation we're talking about.

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There are plenty of studies to support this.


No. There really aren't. There are a whole bunch of articles out there claiming that a whole bunch of studies support this. But when you actually look at the studies and the testing done, they either didn't test for that specifically at all, or did so in a very flawed way.

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It is 'different' holding a conversation with someone on the phone rather than a passenger sitting in the car next to you, as the person on the phone is not experiencing the same thing you are. I guarantee you, if you are driving a car and having a conversation with a passenger in the car, and you accidentally swerve off to the side of the road, that you ill get a different reaction from the passenger than than someone you might be having a conversation with over the phone, who will not be reacting, at all, to traffic, road conditions or anything else that's going on around you.


I'll buy that. But I doubt if that's significant enough to make simply having the conversation significantly dangerous. Not compared to a dozen other activities people may do in the car at any given time. By that logic, singing along with a song on the radio should be banned. It's taking just as much of your concentration to do that as to talk, and the song doesn't react to change outside the car either.

Anything can be a distraction. The problem I have is degree. People holding their phones and crashing usually do so because their hands are tied up when they need them at a critical moment. Or they're looking at the phone right at the instant they need to be looking at the road. Or the very fact of holding the phone up to their ear requires them to hold their head in a position which makes it less likely that they'll check their blind spots before changing lanes.


While I'm sure that the talking is also increasing accident risk by some fractional amount, it's ridiculous to assume it's going to be just as much of a risk increase as actually physically handling the phone while talking.

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Obviously you want to justify the use of talking on your cell while driving.


No. I don't. I avoid having conversations while driving. I do wear a bluetooth earpiece though so that if someone calls me I can answer them. I keep conversations short and to the point. I don't sit there carrying on long conversations and I honestly don't think people should do that. But, at the same time, I don't think we should pass draconian regulations which prevent anyone from *ever* being able to talk on their phones while driving. If I'm meeting someone somewhere and they call me, I want to be able to answer them and know that they're going to be late, or their car broke down and could I pick them up, or whatever. If I'm heading over to a friends place for dinner, I want to be able to answer the phone if they call to ask me to swing by the store on the way there to pick something up. There are a hundred legitimate and time saving uses of phones while driving and I believe it's silly to make it fully illegal based on what I see as some pretty vaguely and poorly designed or just plain tangental studies that have been hyped up to make them seem more relevant and significant than they really are.

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It's a distraction - I think that's undeniable. Convince yourself it's not enough of a distraction to be a safety issue, but that's situational. However, when on the road the situation changes constantly.


I don't think that talking on a phone using modern hands-free devices represents a significant enough distraction to warrant banning phone use entirely. Good enough?
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Yeah no. I've lived here for 19 years, and while I can get around to most places I still have trouble with a lot of areas. This is due to the fact that if I'm not driving I zone out, usually by playing silly mind games with the lines on the road or the trees or something.

Back on the topic of cellphone distractions, it changes from person to person how much of a distraction it is. Having someone in the car with me will always be a greater distraction that talking on the phone. When talking on the phone I'm not more distracted than when I'm not doing anything. Changing the volume in my car is much more of a distraction. I'd have to say that driving while tired is the worst distraction I've ever faced and I try to stay away from it at all costs.
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You're more distracted than you think you are. According to a recent study you're so distracted when talking on the phone even with a head set that your reflexes are significantly slowed.


I can believe this. I can play games and I can hold a phone/vent/teamspeak/RL/whatever conversation well enough, but when I combine them I tend to start sucking at both. In my game I'll start running into/humping walls more often, and my communication will degrade into yeahs, uh-huhs, and whatevers.

Most people are probably better at this than I am. For some holding a conversation while driving might help keep them awake.

Texting is far worse, though. Unlike with standard QWERTY typing, I don't know anyone who texts as skillfully. Many people who do it have to keep their eyes on the display to see what they're writing, for instance. For the vast majority, it requires far more concentration than reaching over and hitting a button on your car radio. It really shouldn't be allowed while actively driving, IMO.

GPS, if I were lost enough to have to fiddle around with something like that en route, I would just pull over and do it.
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You're more distracted than you think you are. According to a recent study you're so distracted when talking on the phone even with a head set that your reflexes are significantly slowed.


I can believe this. I can play games and I can hold a phone/vent/teamspeak/RL/whatever conversation well enough, but when I combine them I tend to start sucking at both. In my game I'll start running into/humping walls more often, and my communication will degrade into yeahs, uh-huhs, and whatevers.


This is kinda the point I was getting at. As you do more "unusual" things, the total distraction level is multiplied. As you get more accustomed to them, the amount of mental concentration required decreases and you'll be affected only by more basic physical issues (like the difference between holding a phone to your head or speaking hands free in this case).

Most people can drive in their own car and fiddle with the radio without missing a beat. You don't even have to look at it. You know where the buttons are and your fingers just do what you need them to do. You're in a car you are familiar with, using a radio that's positioned where you're used to it being, with the buttons where you're used to them.

Ever driven a rental car? Try adjusting the radio while driving down the freeway. You'll suddenly realize that you're having a harder time concentrating on the road. You're combining a couple of unfamiliar factors and they multiply into a major impact on your driving. I suspect that this factor outweighs anything else going on. And it's this factor which most tests designed to assess the amount of distraction talking on a phone cases are really measuring. That's why they conclude that talking hands free is just as dangerous as talking with a phone in your hand. The mental juggling of doing several things you're not used to at once (driving a car or simulator you're not used to, handling or talking on a phone you aren't used to, and driving on a course you aren't used to) all multiply into a distraction that drowns out the mere physical differences involved in the activities.


And if everyone on the road used a different car every day, and drove a different route every day, and used a different cell phone every day, these would be valid and accurate tests. But that's not what we're actually looking at in the real world. What we want to know is the degree to which the average driver, driving their own car, on their daily commute, talking on their cell phone, increases the rate at which they may cause an accident. No study I've heard of comes even close to replicating the conditions we really want to test.


So yeah. They come up with erroneous results. It's not surprising at all. Test people in their own cars with their own cell phones and you'll get a much better idea of the degree to which they are actually increasing the danger to their fellow drivers. And when you do that, I'm quite certain that the physical issues surrounding actually holding a phone to your ear will become much more relevant. As I pointed out earlier, there mere fact that one of your hands is busy will impair your driving. The effect on your ability to turn your head to check for cars in your blindspot before changing lanes is pretty huge. Most of the times when I've almost been hit by someone using a cell phone, it's this scenario. They go to turn or change lanes, but don't actually look first because one hand is holding a cell phone to their head and this makes it harder for them to look around. It's not that they don't see stuff right in front of them, but that they don't pay as much attention to cars next to them, or around corners.
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Yes, the phone conversation and the conversation with the person next to you may be similarly distracting.

The thing is, when you're talking with someone in the car, he is also aware of the traffic around you. So when you come up to a busy crossing / have to turn off / dodge low-flying sheep, the person sitting next to you will follow your conversation rhythm. If you stop speaking, so will the other person in the car. The person on the phone will not be aware of a more demanding traffic situation and will just blather on. Either you ignore him or you don't fully focus on the traffic. Sometimes the latter happens...
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But I doubt if that's significant enough to make simply having the conversation significantly dangerous. Not compared to a dozen other activities people may do in the car at any given time. By that logic, singing along with a song on the radio should be banned. It's taking just as much of your concentration to do that as to talk, and the song doesn't react to change outside the car either.

I honestly am not sure what you're going on about. Dialing a phone is distracting, conversing with someone on a phone is distracting. Can they, or should they be compared? Why would you?

Dialing the phone presumabley takes mere seconds, a conversation perhaps many minutes. They're not really comparable.

However, conversing while driving is significantly distracting - slowing reaction times to the same extent alcohol use can.

Cell phone conversations, if they are distracting, are already illegal. Chat away, you cause an accident while doing so you should be charged and punished accordingly - felony for injury, 2nd degree murder/manslaughter for a death. How many of those conversations REALLY have to take place while you're driving and how many are simply convenient. Legal or not, is it worth it to any of you to needlessly increase the risk of a crash simply for your convenience?

Driving is already about the most risky thing the majority of us do.

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Talking to someone on the phone is inherently more distracting than talking to someone in person. Case in point: how many times have you seen someone talking on the phone walk, or nearly walk, into traffic? I have witnessed this. I have never, on the other hand, seen two people walking together do the same.

When you're on the phone your eyes are not usually focused on what's in front of you. You're not paying attention to your surroundings in the same degree as you are when someone is with you. It's a different brain space.

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It's a different brain space.


I'm not disagreeing with you, but do you have some sort of evidence of this? I think it would be interesting to see some studies on how our brains work differently when we talk with someone in person as opposed to on the phone. I imagine it would be something to do with a lack of nonverbal clues on the phone being instead imagined in one's mind, but I don't know for sure.
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I have seen such a study, or more likely seen it quoted somewhere. I'll look around and see if I can dig it up.

Watch this space!

This wasn't it exactly but still interesting.

This may have been what I was thinking of, actually.

It's a lolblog, but the study is linked at the bottom.



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