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#52 Aug 27 2009 at 6:40 AM Rating: Good
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#53 Aug 27 2009 at 6:50 AM Rating: Good
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The reactions from the Right to plans to name the health care bill after Kennedy and whatnot is pretty funny. I mean, these were the same guys who spent all day yesterday shout "MARY JO!!" over and over so it's not as though they're worried about protecting his legacy or something.

Politicize it? Really? Is it possible to falsely "politicize" the death of a lifelong politician who spent a significant portion of his career and passion on health care reform by invoking his name during the political process of health care reform? Am I to believe that Kennedy, is there's some spectral afterlife, is sitting beyond the shadows and shaking his fist, wailing "Stop trying to pass health care reform in my name"? Is the emotional pull of it any worse than every other bill with a stupid name designed explicitly to inspire you to vote for it (I'm looking at you, "Patriot Act" though there's hundreds if not thousands of others)?

I suppose it's a combination from the Right of just trying to make smear accusations ("Those Democrats are evil!") and legitimate fear that it just might work and refocus the public on the social need for health care reform instead of bullshit about death panels.
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#56 Aug 27 2009 at 7:33 AM Rating: Decent
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Am I to believe that Kennedy, is there's some spectral afterlife, is sitting beyond the shadows and shaking his fist, wailing "Stop trying to pass health care reform in my name"?


Don't be silly, Joph. We all know God doesn't exist, and neither does the afterlife.
#57 Aug 27 2009 at 7:34 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm just saddened by the amount of righties I've seen actually CELEBRATING the death of Teddy. I mean, if I heard that W or Rush died, I wouldn't be mourning, but I also wouldn't be running around going WOOHOOHOOHOOOOOO.
#58 Aug 27 2009 at 7:58 AM Rating: Good
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That's because you have a modicum of class, Ash&c.

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#59 Aug 27 2009 at 8:00 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm just saddened by the amount of righties I've seen actually CELEBRATING the death of Teddy. I mean, if I heard that W or Rush died, I wouldn't be mourning, but I also wouldn't be running around going WOOHOOHOOHOOOOOO.
Cheney's demise might bring a secret lil 'woot' to my lips.
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#60 Aug 27 2009 at 8:03 AM Rating: Good
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That's because you have a modicum of class, Ash&c.

Remeber how, the day after the election, Gbaji said that the Republicans were so much classier then the Democrats because no one was saying (yet) that Obama wasn't their president?

Heh... good times... good times...
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#61 Aug 27 2009 at 8:05 AM Rating: Good
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Cheney's demise might bring a secret lil 'woot' to my lips.


Cheney can't die, even Satan's scared of him.
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#62 Aug 27 2009 at 8:07 AM Rating: Decent
Cheney never dies. He just turns from a cyborg into a fully fledged robot, bit by bit.
#63 Aug 27 2009 at 8:08 AM Rating: Good
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"The only tragedy is that he didn't live to see universal health care." --Ash

Actually, as a senator his (Teddy's) health care surpassed anything he would have dreamed possible of passing as a legislator. As Jon Stewart said earlier this week, "...he'd get a doctor's examination and a CAT scan every Friday just because he could."

At no cost to him. Zero.

Wake me up, Ash, when the universal health care advocates cook up some way to provide that for everyone at the same cost to the individual that advocates for socialized medicine such as the late Edward Kennedy pay. Oh yeah, that's right, he simply sucked off the teat of every hard working, tax paying American only to die from a tumah. Way to push our country into a deeper debt, Ted. Thanks a lot.

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#64 Aug 27 2009 at 8:10 AM Rating: Decent
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#65 Aug 27 2009 at 8:12 AM Rating: Good
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Actually, as a senator his (Teddy's) health care surpassed anything he would have dreamed possible of passing as a legislator.

Erm... and?

Gee, I'd think that having something good and yet still caring about people who don't have it so well was a good trait.
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At no cost to him. Zero.

Federal legislators are covered under the Federal Employees Health Benefits plan which is a collection of private plans you chose from. Since he was from MA, I assume he's be covered under one of these plans. I'm not sure which of those offers the "Never pay a dime for anything" option.
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#67 Aug 27 2009 at 8:20 AM Rating: Good
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#68 Aug 27 2009 at 12:14 PM Rating: Decent
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The reactions from the Right to plans to name the health care bill after Kennedy and whatnot is pretty funny. I mean, these were the same guys who spent all day yesterday shout "MARY JO!!" over and over so it's not as though they're worried about protecting his legacy or something.


The number of liberals running around telling everyone how horrible conservatives are for cheering Ted's death outnumber those conservatives by about 1000:1. It's funny really. Thread after thread on various online blogs by liberals pissed off about all the conservatives being disrespectful. There are so many, it's hard to find an actual example of this happening though...

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Politicize it? Really? Is it possible to falsely "politicize" the death of a lifelong politician who spent a significant portion of his career and passion on health care reform by invoking his name during the political process of health care reform?


Of course it's possible. Because they're doing this, not to honor the name of the dead person or his work, but so they can attack anyone who doesn't go along with the bill in question as a hater of the dead person. If you truly want to honor the person without politicizing his death, pass the bill without a mention of Kennedy, wait a respectful amount of time (like 5-10 years) and *then* name it for him. If you're honoring him, there should be no rush. He's not going anywhere...


It's a cheap and cheesy political tactic IMO. What did Rham Emanuel say? Don't ever let a crisis go to waste? Apparently, death can be inserted in place of crisis...
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#69 Aug 27 2009 at 12:20 PM Rating: Good
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It's a cheap and cheesy political tactic IMO.


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#70 Aug 27 2009 at 12:24 PM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
The reactions from the Right to plans to name the health care bill after Kennedy and whatnot is pretty funny. I mean, these were the same guys who spent all day yesterday shout "MARY JO!!" over and over so it's not as though they're worried about protecting his legacy or something.


The number of liberals running around telling everyone how horrible conservatives are for cheering Ted's death outnumber those conservatives by about 1000:1. It's funny really. Thread after thread on various online blogs by liberals pissed off about all the conservatives being disrespectful. There are so many, it's hard to find an actual example of this happening though...


Smiley: laugh You're full of it. Judging by the statuses on FACEBOOK from people I consider friends, I can imagine what the conservative blogosphere was like. It took a lot to not respond to the "Ding dong, the drunk is dead"/"Finally, maybe we can get a new face in there now!"/"God: 1 Kennedy parasites: -3!" messages I saw. Of the pro-Kennedy messages, they all said "RIP"/"A hero died today"/"Let his legacy live on" type of messages; not one accusing the other side of crassness.

Even when Reagan died, the only "bad" words I said were "Remember him accurately." I did the same with Ted Kennedy on the first page of this.
#71 Aug 27 2009 at 12:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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The number of liberals running around telling everyone how horrible conservatives are for cheering Ted's death outnumber those conservatives by about 1000:1. It's funny really. Thread after thread on various online blogs by liberals pissed off about all the conservatives being disrespectful. There are so many, it's hard to find an actual example of this happening though...


Personally I was just going by what was happening right here, on this very thread. It's not that hard to find an actual example, at all.

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#72 Aug 27 2009 at 12:40 PM Rating: Good
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The number of liberals running around telling everyone how horrible conservatives are for cheering Ted's death outnumber those conservatives by about 1000:1.

That's fine. If someone's being a dink, I have no problem with 1000 people saying "Hey, you're a dink!".

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It's funny really. Thread after thread on various online blogs by liberals pissed off about all the conservatives being disrespectful. There are so many, it's hard to find an actual example of this happening though...

I thought we didn't read political blogs?

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Of course it's possible. Because they're doing this, not to honor the name of the dead person or his work, but so they can attack anyone who doesn't go along with the bill in question as a hater of the dead person.

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You're right... those Congressmen who've worked with Kennedy for years or even decades have no interest in honoring him and seeing one of his life's tasks carried through to fruition. It's all about hating on the GOP.
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The funniest part is the logical twists you need to make to say "The people trying to pass the piece of legislature Kennedy wanted have no interest in Kennedy! They only want to pass the piece of legislature that Kennedy always wanted and it's WRONG!" with a straight face.

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It's a cheap and cheesy political tactic IMO.

It's a safe bet that you're opinion is always that the Democrats are in the wrong.

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#74 Aug 27 2009 at 3:08 PM Rating: Decent
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You're full of it.


Nah. I think you are...

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Judging by the statuses on FACEBOOK from people I consider friends, I can imagine what the conservative blogosphere was like. It took a lot to not respond to the "Ding dong, the drunk is dead"/"Finally, maybe we can get a new face in there now!"/"God: 1 Kennedy parasites: -3!" messages I saw.


Ah. So because your friends said some mean things on Facebook, this has some global meaning for conservatives as a whole? Maybe you just have jerks for friends?

I know a number of people who are not fans of Kennedy by any means. Not one of them has "cheered" his death. They'll make the same kind of comments you did (pointing out that the man did have flaws and was particularly partisan), but no actual cheering or chanting or what have you.

Not even my Aunt, who was working in Washington at the time of the whole Chappaquiddick incident (don't remember who for specifically, but I'll guess a Republican), has not made any sort of disparaging remarks about him. And this is a woman who does send out those chainish emails on occasion. I remember having a conservation with her about him once when I was in my early 20s. I didn't know who he was other than his family name. When the subject came up, she got this sort of contorted look of disgust on her face and proceeded to talk about him in detail, about what a pig he was, how he got away with killing a woman, and how his family basically was able to cover for him as he lurched from one disaster to another in his life and career. I mean, we're talking about a woman who absolutely despised the man. For all I know she had some first hand experience with him she didn't want to discuss, but that would just be speculation on my part.

While I'm sure she privately does cheer his death, she hasn't said a word about it to anyone...


You know. If we're sharing personal anecdotes.


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Even when Reagan died, the only "bad" words I said were "Remember him accurately." I did the same with Ted Kennedy on the first page of this.


You say "Even when Reagan died", as though there's some greater reason for you to dislike him than for people to dislike Kennedy. Unless Reagan had a lifelong history of boozing and womanizing and had a woman die under pretty mysterious circumstances, I'm a bit confused how you could even equate those.

The conservative pundits respect but disagree with Kennedy for his politics (mostly). The public who dislike him do so because of his personality and his actions in his life having nothing to do with politics at all except that he got away with far more than his fair share due to his families connections.
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#75 Aug 27 2009 at 3:18 PM Rating: Decent
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That's fine. If someone's being a dink, I have no problem with 1000 people saying "Hey, you're a dink!".


Ok. But that's not what's happening. What's happening is that one person is being a dink, and a thousand people, instead of telling him he's a dink tell everyone they can find about how bad said dinkiness is, giving the perception that it's a whole host of people being dinks and not just the one. That's the point at which we should have a problem because it creates a perception that is far out of step with reality.

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I thought we didn't read political blogs?


I googled. Found thread after thread of people talking about how mean conservatives were being. While I admit to only checking about a half dozen or so links off my google search, I failed to find a single instance of a conservative actually saying the things in question. All of the cases were liberals loudly proclaiming how mean conservatives were being.

See how that fits the "problem case" I outline above?


Kinda reminds me of two bloggers on a conservative site saying that they didn't like Jindals speech being repeated by every single liberal blog, online news site, and even referenced on CNN. Yup. It's just like that...

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The funniest part is the logical twists you need to make to say "The people trying to pass the piece of legislature Kennedy wanted have no interest in Kennedy! They only want to pass the piece of legislature that Kennedy always wanted and it's WRONG!" with a straight face.


No. It's wrong to take advantage of someone's death to push a political agenda. Whether by drawing on pity for the dead, or acrimony towards anyone who opposes the proposal, it's still wrong.

By making a big deal about "passing one for the GipperTedster", the Dems are playing on the worst aspect of victim politics. We're supposed to allow them to push their policies out of respect for the dead? I'm sorry, that doesn't wash. It was a bad idea to pass overbearing gun control by naming it the "Brady Bill", and it is a bad idea to try to pass overbearing health reform by renaming it the "Kennedy Bill" (or whatever).

If you want to honor his legacy, pass it. Cleanly. Respectfully. Honestly. Don't play on the emotions of a death to try to drum up public sympathy for something the public would normally oppose. That's got to be the worst reason to pass a piece of legislation IMO...
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#76 Aug 27 2009 at 3:19 PM Rating: Good
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Ah. So because your friends said some mean things on Facebook, this has some global meaning for conservatives as a whole? Maybe you just have jerks for friends?


Ah. So because some people on the internet are chastising some tactless statements on blogs, this has some global meaning for liberals as a whole (1000:1!)? Maybe you just don't think things through very well?

PS - While we're on the topic of you making things up, I'm still waiting on my citation that people in the medical field would leave their home country and move internationally to make more money.

Edited, Aug 27th 2009 7:19pm by CBD
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