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#27 Aug 24 2009 at 12:48 PM Rating: Good
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Aff'kuh was claimed by some as Conrad's metaphor for the scuttier parts of London
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#28 Aug 24 2009 at 1:04 PM Rating: Good
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Ahh, but there is the rub. "...Claimed by some..." On the other hand, you do live in or around London, right, Nobs?

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#29 Aug 24 2009 at 1:17 PM Rating: Excellent
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Only about 330 miles north or so.

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#30 Aug 24 2009 at 1:19 PM Rating: Good
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Samira wrote:
Only about 330 miles north or so.

About 130 miles North of London.

330 miles North of London is Alaska. Britainland is less than 18 inches long.

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#31 Aug 24 2009 at 1:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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Nobby wrote:
Samira wrote:
Only about 330 miles north or so.

About 130 miles North of London.

330 miles North of London is Alaska. Britainland is less than 18 inches long.

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Miles, kilometers, same-same, savvy?

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#32 Aug 24 2009 at 1:26 PM Rating: Good
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Samira wrote:
Nobby wrote:
Samira wrote:
Only about 330 miles north or so.

About 130 miles North of London.

330 miles North of London is Alaska. Britainland is less than 18 inches long.

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Miles, kilometers, same-same, savvy?

OK. To be precise, I live 4 metric hours gerbil-ride from London.
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#33 Aug 25 2009 at 12:09 AM Rating: Good
Nobby wrote:
Samira wrote:
Nobby wrote:
Samira wrote:
Only about 330 miles north or so.

About 130 miles North of London.

330 miles North of London is Alaska. Britainland is less than 18 inches long.

Lern2Geography Sammy


Miles, kilometers, same-same, savvy?

OK. To be precise, I live 4 metric hours gerbil-ride from London.


An african or a European gerbil?
#34 Aug 25 2009 at 6:56 AM Rating: Decent
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When we lost power in a recent t-storm, my oven came back to life as a Brit. I'm now converting all my baking temps to degree c.

Recentest studies show most people don't use near enough sun screen. You need to have a thick gooey layer on to get all the protection that you are promised to get from whatever SPF you're using.

Remember Aloe, nice fresh stuff cut right from the plant, is very soothing on sunburn. Peeling is cool though, specially when you can get one nice big sheet.

Think peeled-people skin has much in the way of trans fats?
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#35 Aug 25 2009 at 8:30 AM Rating: Good
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Well, that's only Nobby's neighborhood, but no. Africa = HoD

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From fallible memory: at the start of the book, as the protagonist sits on the deck as they sail down the Thames out of London, he reflects that "This too has been one of the Dark Places of the world". He reflects that at the time of the Roman Empire, the shining, educated, civilised centre of the world was in Italy, and as the empire pushed outwards, at the furthest reaches was Britain, which was a dismal barbaric outpost, a pestilent mudpit, dark and dank. He reflects that the civilised Romans sailing up the Thames to the tiny little mud huts of Roman era Britain were so far away from their bright sunny homes, the warm weather, the good food, the magnificent clothing, jewellery, art and buildings they were used to. In Britain they were in so much peril and physical squalor, cut off from almost all good things, there in that uncertain frontier.

Later all the actions are of "civilised" British sailing up the Congo, up the farthest reaches of the British Empire near its height, with the African natives the ones to be in frail little huts, and their actions, culture and language strange, barbaric, "uncivilised". But apart from descriptions of sailing into the jungle, I don't think Conrad uses a phrase like "Dark Place" or "Heart of Darkness" while the action is in Africa. I could be mistaken, it's a long time ago since I read it.

The parallel and turnabout metaphor is clear, yet I think it's a perceptive one by Conrad (or whoever he got it from) and it was very important that he stated it. Almost all European colonialists were inclined to think of themselves as real humans, and the peoples they conquered as subhuman, because of the difference in technology and because of religious bigotry. They often used the opportunity or trick of passing themselves off as gods to the poor ignorant barbarians if it suited their wants.

Thus to baldly state, to remind English readers that Britain used to be a very backwards, barbarian, uncivilised place compared to a foreign Empire was not only insightful, but challenging or daring of him to do so.

The precession of the rise and fall of empires, political, commercial, military or whatever, is still a very relevant fact for every human to remember.

Edited, Aug 25th 2009 12:37pm by Aripyanfar
#36 Aug 25 2009 at 8:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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Just adding to that - Kurtz himself could be seen as the very heart of darkness. He is brilliant, true; but he is also ruthless, egomaniacal, and corrupt - which may be the "horror" he finally realizes at the end of his life.

The heart of darkness is not a place, I think.

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#37 Aug 25 2009 at 8:53 AM Rating: Good
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Samira wrote:
Just adding to that - Kurtz himself could be seen as the very heart of darkness. He is brilliant, true; but he is also ruthless, egomaniacal, and corrupt - which may be the "horror" he finally realizes at the end of his life.

The heart of darkness is not a place, I think.


I'm pretty sure it's meant as a multi-layered metaphor. What would make a place "dark" after all, when we aren't talking about the physical absence of electromagnetic waves?
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