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#52 Aug 28 2009 at 9:02 AM Rating: Decent
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Well, I'm sure plenty of people too stupid to self destruct through alcohol, drugs or crushing, endless loneliness that threatens at every moment to destroy their very soul and send them gibbering to the madhouse, caked with blood, choose to do so through their choice of lover instead.


If it didn't happen so much I'd be happy to write it off as stupid people doing stupid things with sex and love. It's difficult for me to remember instances of conversation about relationships (in real life) where the thing to do was to actively discourage yourself from making the other person happy. It's shocking as hell when someone who is otherwise articulate and thoughtful says something like, "the best way to get with a lady is to stop caring about what she wants," and totally means it.
#53 Aug 28 2009 at 9:16 AM Rating: Decent
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Well, I'm sure plenty of people too stupid to self destruct through alcohol, drugs or crushing, endless loneliness that threatens at every moment to destroy their very soul and send them gibbering to the madhouse, caked with blood, choose to do so through their choice of lover instead.


If it didn't happen so much I'd be happy to write it off as stupid people doing stupid things with sex and love. It's difficult for me to remember instances of conversation about relationships (in real life) where the thing to do was to actively discourage yourself from making the other person happy. It's shocking as hell when someone who is otherwise articulate and thoughtful says something like, "the best way to get with a lady is to stop caring about what she wants," and totally means it.


It's the best way to get sex with a lady. Actually, no. You have to pretend to care about what she wants while actually only caring about the sex. It's that kind of individually tailored empathy that gets into people's pants.

It's quite depressing how often I see it working, really. I'd like to believe that people can tell when their partner is really just a horny *******, but my ideals are just being slowly overwhelmed by all this goddamn empirical evidence.
#54 Aug 28 2009 at 9:20 AM Rating: Good
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It's the best way to get sex with a lady. Actually, no. You have to pretend to care about what she wants while actually only caring about the sex. It's that kind of individually tailored empathy that gets into people's pants.

It's quite depressing how often I see it working, really. I'd like to believe that people can tell when their partner is really just a horny @#%^, but my ideals are just being slowly overwhelmed by all this goddamn empirical evidence.


The level of bitternes, self-delusion, and transference here is astounding.
#55 Aug 28 2009 at 9:27 AM Rating: Decent
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The level of bitternes, self-delusion, and transference here is astounding.


Could you explain further?
#56 Aug 28 2009 at 9:36 AM Rating: Good
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It's the best way to get sex with a lady. Actually, no. You have to pretend to care about what she wants while actually only caring about the sex. It's that kind of individually tailored empathy that gets into people's pants.

It's quite depressing how often I see it working, really. I'd like to believe that people can tell when their partner is really just a horny @#%^, but my ideals are just being slowly overwhelmed by all this goddamn empirical evidence.


That works both ways though. Women are just as guilty. I've had exes admit that contrary to what they said and I believed, I'm not actually smart, funny or witty. No, they only cared about two things with me.


My face and my ****. Which is sad, as only one of those could even remotely be considered "better than average". Point is, it does work both ways.
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#57 Aug 28 2009 at 9:46 AM Rating: Good
Pensive the Ludicrous wrote:
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The level of bitternes, self-delusion, and transference here is astounding.


Could you explain further?


Zepoodle's post sounds like someone who has been left for another man, and can't quite seem to come to grips with it.
#58 Aug 28 2009 at 9:47 AM Rating: Good
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Pensive the Ludicrous wrote:
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Well, I'm sure plenty of people too stupid to self destruct through alcohol, drugs or crushing, endless loneliness that threatens at every moment to destroy their very soul and send them gibbering to the madhouse, caked with blood, choose to do so through their choice of lover instead.


If it didn't happen so much I'd be happy to write it off as stupid people doing stupid things with sex and love. It's difficult for me to remember instances of conversation about relationships (in real life) where the thing to do was to actively discourage yourself from making the other person happy. It's shocking as hell when someone who is otherwise articulate and thoughtful says something like, "the best way to get with a lady is to stop caring about what she wants," and totally means it.



The problem is women like confidence and someone who can take command. They don't want a wussy who can't stand up for himself. I believe that by stop caring about what a woman wants creates a sort of false sense of confidence. It might work a little bit here and there but in the long run, and even shorter relationships, it doesn't pan out. You can be confident and still give a woman what she wants. It's just a little tricky sometimes because women will always test the line.
#59 Aug 28 2009 at 9:52 AM Rating: Excellent
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The problem is women like confidence and someone who can take command. They don't want a wussy who can't stand up for himself. I believe that by stop caring about what a woman wants creates a sort of false sense of confidence. It might work a little bit here and there but in the long run, and even shorter relationships, it doesn't pan out. You can be confident and still give a woman what she wants. It's just a little tricky sometimes because women will always test the line.


Women getting ideas above their station?! Have no fear, son, that's why god invented spousal abuse.
#60 Aug 28 2009 at 9:54 AM Rating: Decent
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This is what you should have written:

"Life is tough for you at the moment. Lets go and do something fun."

Less is more.
#61 Aug 28 2009 at 9:55 AM Rating: Good
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Pensive the Ludicrous wrote:
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Well, I'm sure plenty of people too stupid to self destruct through alcohol, drugs or crushing, endless loneliness that threatens at every moment to destroy their very soul and send them gibbering to the madhouse, caked with blood, choose to do so through their choice of lover instead.


If it didn't happen so much I'd be happy to write it off as stupid people doing stupid things with sex and love. It's difficult for me to remember instances of conversation about relationships (in real life) where the thing to do was to actively discourage yourself from making the other person happy. It's shocking as hell when someone who is otherwise articulate and thoughtful says something like, "the best way to get with a lady is to stop caring about what she wants," and totally means it.



The problem is women like confidence and someone who can take command. They don't want a wussy who can't stand up for himself. I believe that by stop caring about what a woman wants creates a sort of false sense of confidence. It might work a little bit here and there but in the long run, and even shorter relationships, it doesn't pan out. You can be confident and still give a woman what she wants. It's just a little tricky sometimes because women will always test the line.


I find myself agreeing with Mental, and that frightens me.

From what I have seen, women like guys who are confident in themselves. When they are young or inexperienced, they might think that being a jackass is the same thing as self-confidence... but most tend to lose that delusion after a while and realize they can be quite separate. If you want to get laid, sure, you can be kind of a jerk if it appears you are self-confident. If you want a relationship, a smart (or mature) female will realize you care about her needs; more than that, YOU'LL figure out her needs and try to meet them. A guy can do it in an assertive and confident way, for sure.

That said, I agree with seeing all too often "smart" girls go for "bad guys." That's a sign of immaturity, not idiocy... though the results are startlingly similar. I've also seen the opposite: "smart" guys get with "bad girls." Bad in this case could mean anything from promiscuous to unattractive to desperate.

People do foolish stuff when they're young. The trick is to realize ASAP that they're acting like fools and learn from it.

I could take my own advice at times, haha! Smiley: lol
#62 Aug 28 2009 at 9:56 AM Rating: Decent
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Zepoodle's post sounds like someone who has been left for another man, and can't quite seem to come to grips with it.


Oh, I thought you were making a more general argument or something.

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From what I have seen, women like guys who are confident in themselves.


Well look man, I'm about as qualified to describe the homogeneous needs of a women as I am the homogeneous needs of men. I think it's very dangerous to start just talking about what women or men want, because I don't know. I really know only what people have told me about their own beliefs, and surveying purely what people believe about beliefs is a lot more frightening to me than what the first order beliefs are.

Edited, Aug 28th 2009 1:59pm by Pensive
#63 Aug 28 2009 at 10:03 AM Rating: Good
Yeah, right behind you and all that Pensive, but I've already made fun of people overgeneralising women once in this thread, and if I didn't put a limit on how many times I snark people for the same thing then I'd never stop snarking.
#64 Aug 28 2009 at 10:03 AM Rating: Good
As a woman, I'm glad to know that so many of you men have all of us so figured out. Smiley: thumbsup It makes me feel all secure to know that you big, strong men have my little heart all wrapped up and tucked away and protected.
#65 Aug 28 2009 at 10:10 AM Rating: Good
Don't worry, Belkira, if you ever get tired of your husband - if he's not self-confident and manly enough - you can always come and live with me. I know we haven't talked much, but I know all about what women want and, by extension, what you like, so we'll get on great.

Just be sure not to test the line too much, 'kay?
#66 Aug 28 2009 at 10:16 AM Rating: Decent
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As a woman, I'm glad to know that so many of you men have all of us so figured out.


The essence of all women can't be figured out, because I've figured out that the essence of all women is actually rampant caprice!















And because we had this problem recently, yes, I am being sarcastic.
#67 Aug 28 2009 at 11:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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I just want a man that will wait on me hand and foot and let me treat him like ****. Is that so much to ask??
#68 Aug 28 2009 at 11:11 AM Rating: Excellent
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Pensive the Ludicrous wrote:

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From what I have seen, women like guys who are confident in themselves.


Well look man, I'm about as qualified to describe the homogeneous needs of a women as I am the homogeneous needs of men. I think it's very dangerous to start just talking about what women or men want, because I don't know. I really know only what people have told me about their own beliefs, and surveying purely what people believe about beliefs is a lot more frightening to me than what the first order beliefs are.

Smiley: lol

You're right, of course. It is a generalization. The proper way to say it would be "a self-confident man will be more appealing on average to women than one without any confidence." I was sort of imaging that was taken for granted, but I guess not!

The proper response is a woman likes a man with money that they will spend on them. Smiley: nod

Or, if we can believe Varus, a man who plies them with wine coolers.
#69 Aug 28 2009 at 11:19 AM Rating: Decent
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I was sort of imaging that was taken for granted, but I guess not!


Well see, it's not that I was just oblivious to taking it for granted that you were -just- generalizing. I make myself not take it for granted, because generalizing like that, proximately innocuous or not, with a disclaimer or not, is precisely what leads to misconceptions between sex relations. Eventually even, too much generalizing will cloud your view of sexes and make those generalizations true, whether they were true before or not, because your behavior will adjust itself to account for the stereotype. Vicious* cycle and all that.

I'd like to say that I'm just guarding myself from making sexist comments about what women do, but that's not the main reason I take issue with these statements. Those sorts of things irk me because they are also pretty damn sexist against men.

*Smiley: bah

Edited, Aug 28th 2009 3:39pm by Pensive
#70 Aug 28 2009 at 11:22 AM Rating: Good
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Viscous cycle and all that.


Is that the gooey menstrual cycle you're speaking of, there?
#71 Aug 28 2009 at 11:26 AM Rating: Decent
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I just want a man that will wait on me hand and foot and let me treat him like sh*t. Is that so much to ask??



Depends...are you hot?

Also, please bear in mind that "hot" is a relative term. As long as you don't scare dark out of a closet, make freight trains take dirt roads or are so hideous that lightning wouldn't strike your face, you're probably "hot" to most guys.
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#72 Aug 28 2009 at 11:26 AM Rating: Decent
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Pensive the Ludicrous wrote:
Those sorts of things irk me because they are also pretty damn sexist against men.


Good point! On that note, does anyone else see anecdotal evidence that guys prefer blowjobs to regular ol' vaginal intercourse*? I remember reading a survey somewhere once that guys would rather have their knob sucked. It always struck me as odd, as I never cared for BJs much.

*Or other kinds of sexual activity, for our non-breeder members.
#73 Aug 28 2009 at 11:38 AM Rating: Decent
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Is that the gooey menstrual cycle you're speaking of, there?


Whenever I bleed it's more sticky than anything. Is it different for the blood that rains from that ******?

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On that note, does anyone else see anecdotal evidence that guys prefer blowjobs to regular ol' vaginal intercourse*? I remember reading a survey somewhere once that guys would rather have their knob sucked. It always struck me as odd, as I never cared for BJs much.


I like hugging, and licking people's hands.
#74 Aug 28 2009 at 11:54 AM Rating: Decent
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Admiral LockeColeMA wrote:


Good point! On that note, does anyone else see anecdotal evidence that guys prefer blowjobs to regular ol' vaginal intercourse*? I remember reading a survey somewhere once that guys would rather have their knob sucked. It always struck me as odd, as I never cared for BJs much.


I like them interspersed in there. if I had to make a choice between getting BJs or Vag for the rest of my life it would be Vag hands down. But if i go like, a couple months without a BJ I get a little cranky.
#75 Aug 28 2009 at 12:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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CoalHeart wrote:
Mistress Nadenu wrote:
I just want a man that will wait on me hand and foot and let me treat him like sh*t. Is that so much to ask??



Depends...are you hot?

Also, please bear in mind that "hot" is a relative term. As long as you don't scare dark out of a closet, make freight trains take dirt roads or are so hideous that lightning wouldn't strike your face, you're probably "hot" to most guys.


Ah.

Well, it was worth a shot anyway.
#76 Aug 28 2009 at 1:52 PM Rating: Good
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But if i go like, a couple months without a BJ I get a little cranky.


Smiley: rolleyes
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