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#102 Aug 24 2009 at 6:21 AM Rating: Good
Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
The Georgia invasion was one of the first tests of their renewed land force. It was also a hugely symbolic slap in the face to the Nato alliance, since Georgia was activly persuing membershiop.


Yeah, but so what?

Unless you happen to live in one of the ex-soviet state, I don't think you should worry about Russia. Putin is mostly playing to the domestic crowd. He is trying to restore Russia as a world player and super-power, and who can blame him? The real mistake we made was not to engage closer with them when the USSR broke apart. It was a golden opportunity, one that will probably not come again in our lifetime.

The main problems with Russia are internal. It is very authoritarian, centralised, and paranoid. But most of this is centered on Russians. I would not want to be a Russian dissident, for sure, but I don't think Russia holds any imperialistic/expansionist ambitions. Yes, it can cause trouble in some regional affairs (Georgia, Ukraine, etc...) but it always has and always will be active in its natural sphere of influence. Just like the US has a vested interest in what happens around its borders, so does Russia. I'm not saying what they do is justified, but they behave like most regional powers behave.

As a US citizen, Russia should really be a non-issue. In the fight against violent Islam, they are in the same boat as us. In dealing with China as a rising super-power, they are just as scared as we are. The Cold War is dead, Russia doesn't have any ideology to promote. As long as we take them seriously as a regional power, they will not cause much trouble. Their economy is more closely tied to ours than it has even been.

I can't think of any major challenge that is likely to arise in the next couple of decades where Russia would be on the "other side". They might not be the easiest of countries to deal with, but their fundamental national interests are pretty much aligned to ours these days.

China will be much more problematic.
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#103 Aug 24 2009 at 6:39 AM Rating: Decent
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It won't because people try to make it NOT happen. Not just me, anyone vying for power.


Certainly, but nothing is stopping them from stopping. They aren't compelled by some law of the universe.

See, the problem that a lot of people really don't like about the idea of cooperating with each other and making a nice, big society where everyone helps each other is that you have to rely on other people. It makes sense that you should do that of course, because you are trying to get people to rely on other people for prosperity, but that won't ever materilizae until you can rely on other people in a more mundane sense: you have to trust them to trust you, and vice versa.

Someone has to do it first you know. It might blow up in your face. It might result in a lot less violence. The difference between being naive and being diplomatic is determined by nothing other than those results, which are totally out of your hands. You should try anyway.

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I'm just not going to let myself be overcome by a crushing wave of depression every time the possibility arises for me to enjoy something, because that is totally ******* useless.


I'd think approximately as useless as most actions either you or I have ever taken.
#104 Aug 24 2009 at 7:05 AM Rating: Decent
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Someone has to do it first you know. It might blow up in your face. It might result in a lot less violence. The difference between being naive and being diplomatic is determined by nothing other than those results, which are totally out of your hands. You should try anyway.


The stakes these people play at make that kind of gamble untenable. Hopeful, but untenable. National leaders are responsible for the well-being of their nation. For some nations that aren't the US, this well-being is vastly more precarious. If it does blow up in their faces, there's much more backlash than just an "Oops!"

RedPhoenixxx wrote:
Unless you happen to live in one of the ex-soviet state, I don't think you should worry about Russia. Putin is mostly playing to the domestic crowd. He is trying to restore Russia as a world player and super-power, and who can blame him?


I know jack **** about this particular situation, but I think their concerns stem from the fact that if Russia does start a local conflict, America will in all likelihood be dragged into it one way or another. I know for certain that aggressively pushing Russian interests, both economic and military, is going to clash with American and Western European interests eventually.
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