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I don't think that article says what you want it to say.

Apparently the doctors in Detroit are pleased as punch to accept payments from Canada's government system and Canada is able to expand coverage by striking arrangements with US doctors. Given that Windsor is three minutes from Detroit and the next large town (London with 350,000) is over two hours from Windsor, arranging for specific complicated procedures to be done in Detroit makes a lot of sense.

Just because names are not always accurate does not mean that they are never accurate.



At the risk of further Godwining the thread, the ****'s didn't bypass the country's democratic system either. At every step of the way, they gained sufficient popular support and parliamentary support to pass each new law.

While that doesn't mean we chuck out Democracy because it *can* lead to a bad result, it does mean that we should be vigilant in our duty to ensure that we don't hand too much power to those who lead us. Does the health care issue do this? Of course not. But why hand more power to the government than we have to?


We can solve the majority of issues people have with health care right now without resorting to a government funded option. That's really the problem here. There's a disconnect between what the public is complaining about and what the Democrats are offering them. It's a classic bait and switch. People complain about some very specific aspects of health care. The Dems take on the mantle of "fixing health care", but decide to fix the things that they want to fix (ie: eliminate the private funding in favor of government funding). And they are holding the legitimate problems with health care over the publics head in order to force their solution on them.


The public doesn't want the government paying for health care in this way. What they want is to allow providers to compete across state lines. What they want is assurances that their care wont be canceled on a technicality if they get sick. What they want is to be more easily able to transfer health care from job to job. None of those require government funded pools of health care. And the majority of Americans don't want that. But that's what the Dems have decided is their dealbreaker issue. They wont do any health care reform if it doesn't contain a public option (or so they have stated). That puts them firmly in the position of blocking real health care reform in order to pursue their own partisan agenda.


And that's why people are protesting this in large numbers. Not out of a love of the insurance companies. Not because the Republican party bussed them in. But because they don't want what the Democrats are selling. Pure and simple.



Yup. Which makes you wonder why the Dems wont compromise...

There's a number of reasons.

Some people are just rich, and can afford to have non essential medical stuff done in the states, or non emergency stuff done faster.

In some cases, due to the fact that Canada is not as densly populated as the states, it's not cost effective to set up a certain type of service, or to expand an existing one, due to the rare demand. In this case it is cheaper to go directly to the hospitals in the States, which due to higher population density have these services.

Non of these have anything to do with publicly provided health care. It's still covered by Canadian health care which is the point. Instead of making people wait when there is an unexpected rush of a certain type of medical situation, we can leverage your greater capacity to help people faster. Note that your greater capacity is linked to population and not to whose paying for the service.

I wouldn't really expect you to have actually thought about that though. Go back to cheer leading Gbaji, you're much better at that.

edit: Or what joph said.

Edited, Aug 20th 2009 2:58pm by Xsarus

I wish Gbaji would just stop talking about fucking *****

Small government is not about the dollar amount of the budget.


And yeah. A lot of conservative pundits attacked Bush just as much as the liberals. For different reasons mind you, but I don't recall a single conservative pundit saying that Bush was a bad president because he just didn't oppress people of color enough...

Nice try on the edit, slick

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You mean the part where the women diagnosed with cancer and was turned down by Canadian doctors for a bone marrow transplant came to the US and got one that saved her life.

You mean that Part?


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When your done blowing Joph I think Pensive and Kavekk want thier turn.

There was no mention of such a woman.

Oh! Wait! You mean the man who wanted the bone marrow transplant? I guess that shows how well you read the actual article.

It doesn't say that Canada does not do bone marrow transplants or that he was willingly turned down by the doctors.

EDIT: Making me mess up pronouns now. Must be a conservative conspiracy.

Edited, Aug 20th 2009 4:37pm by CBD

Yeah, that was a total brain fart for me, I was confusing this with another article when I wrote that part.

Yeah, as already pointed out, you have the details of the story wrong. Hell, you have the entire plot wrong. But it sure did put the fear of Canadian health care into me when I learned that the Canadian government ultimately paid for a man to get expensive transplants in a US hospital when a suitable donor was found there. I mean, I feel much better knowing that the US government would never, ever pay money to save my life in a hospital in Ontario.

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So I made a mistake and said she instead of he and that changes all of this?



Saying She instead of he doesn't mean that countless Canadians cross the border every year to use our "worse" healthcare system?











Edited, Aug 20th 2009 5:04pm by ThiefX

Thief, what part of a population 350000 town 3 minutes from a very big city confuses you? Let me guess, all of it. It's about leveraging services that aren't cost effective. It's cheaper for the government to send a few people to detroit then it would be to build facilities that would be empty most of the time.

You're still missing the point.

To be fair, he's not nearly as experienced as Varus. He should probably buy a car and go pick up college chicks.

Edited, Aug 20th 2009 4:17pm by Xsarus