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#127 Aug 20 2009 at 1:12 PM Rating: Default
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People are by nature selfish ceatures with their own self interests at heart.


You aren't "by nature" anything you manipulable twit, and in an especially ironic twist of fate, most of that ridiculous @#%^ing pessimism that gets disguised as "realism" is a modern, western conception, which you are using to ridicule other modern, western conceptions.

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What pisses me off is that people tend to only see things through their own tiny viewpoint, an extreme example of this naivety would be Marie-Antoinette "let them eat cake".


I don't honestly give a sh*t whether or not someone believes that causing harm isn't all that bad, and broadening my viewpoint to their culture doesn't make it any less abhorrent. If this was about any situation in the world aside from animal rights, no one would make this argument and actually be taken seriously. For example:

Clitoral circumcision is perfectly fine as a way to encourage sexual responsibility, because the only ethical objection to is is because of a biased western perspective. Little girls don't actually deserve to mature into adulthood with a labia, and I have no right whatsoever to judge someone who cuts off the @#%^ing ***** of a child as barbarous in any way because I'm just not trying hard enough to understand the culture.

I don't honestly understand (okay I do, but I'm pretending not to for rhetorical effect) why compassion is exalted in every ethical debate ever, except for ones pertaining to animals.

Edited, Aug 20th 2009 5:23pm by Pensive
#128 Aug 20 2009 at 4:03 PM Rating: Decent
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Pensive the Ludicrous wrote:
Guilt is never necessary or unnecessary. It's a useful tool that we use in ethics, often to mitigate what we perceive as evil. Obviously if you don't perceive the action as evil already then the guilt is well.. necessarily unnecessary.

I subscribe to a moral system like that because I care about things, just like every other person in the world. It wouldn't make sense to just take what I want out of my life as is and then find the best ethical system to justify it ad hoc. Well, perhaps it would make sense, but doing something like that is possibly the most intellectually fraudulent thing in the world. Ethics are about what you should do, not justifying what you already do.


I'd continue arguing, but it seems fairly pointless. Not only are you arguing for vegetarianism basically on grounds of squeamishness, but you haven't actually got the ideological guts to actually be a vegetarian. You say to yourself and everyone else that it's unethical to eat meat and then you go downstairs every night and weep over your bacon.

Really, the very least I expect from my self-righteous vegetarian hippies is that they actually be vegetarians.
#129 Aug 20 2009 at 4:34 PM Rating: Good
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Not only are you arguing for vegetarianism basically on grounds of squeamishness


I cannot adequately express how disappointed I am in you for thinking this.

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Really, the very least I expect from my self-righteous vegetarian hippies is that they actually be vegetarians.


The difference between being self-righteous and a good human being is nothing more than how many people agree with you already.
#130 Aug 20 2009 at 4:36 PM Rating: Good
How can you be self-righteous when you're equally as guilty of the unethical behaviour in question by your own admission? Believing in something isn't the same thing as being self-righteous.
#131 Aug 20 2009 at 6:46 PM Rating: Decent
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Pensive the Ludicrous wrote:
I cannot adequately express how disappointed I am in you for thinking this.


You're disappointed? I'm disappointed. I thought I was talking to someone who had balls.
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