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#1 Aug 18 2009 at 5:10 AM Rating: Excellent
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Man escapes charges for barbecuing pet dog
(CNN) -- A man who roasted his pet dog to enjoy as a meal with his family and friends escaped prosecution after authorities in New Zealand determined the animal was killed humanely.


Auckland SPCA officers found the charred body of a Staffordshire terrier cooking in this barbecue pit.

"We were in a dilemma at seeing something we were fairly upset about -- but being in a position of being able to do absolutely nothing about it," said Garth Halliday, of the Auckland Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals, on Monday.

The SPCA -- which investigates acts of animal cruelty and presses charges -- responded to the house in Mangere, south of Auckland.

There, officers found the charred body of a Staffordshire terrier cooking in a barbecue pit.

"They had had the dog for a while, but the man told us his wife was getting tired of the dog. He was becoming a pest," Halliday said.

"They decided to get rid of him. But instead of bringing him to the SPCA -- which we recommend -- they decided to have a meal, and cook and eat him."

The family is from Tonga where eating a dog is not uncommon, Halliday said.

"He didn't think he was doing anything wrong," he said.

The incident occurred in February. For the next few months, the SPCA looked into whether the man ought to be charged for the killing. Over the weekend, the organization decided it couldn't because the animal had been killed humanely.

The man, Halliday said, struck the dog in the head with a hammer, rendering it unconscious. He then slit its throat.

"That is the normal way -- if one can use that word -- that animals are killed all over the world," Halliday said.

And under New Zealand's Animal Welfare Act, it is legal to kill an animal if it is slaughtered swiftly and painlessly.

Dr Malakai Koloamatangi, a Tongan cultural expert from the University of Canterbury, told CNN affiliate TVNZ that dog meat is a delicacy enjoyed mostly by young men in his homeland.

Still, the case infuriated and repulsed many New Zealanders.

"It's appalling," said Gracie Williams of Auckland. "As an animal lover, I am sickened. The law needs to be changed."

Auckland Mayor John Banks, an animal rights activist, told reporters that rather than a new law, what is needed is better education of local customs.

In the end, the SPCA closed the case without charges.

"We talked to the people. We told them that although it's not against the law, it is against the general culture of the country to actually kill and eat your own pet dog," Halliday said.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/08/18/new.zealand.dog.bbq/index.html

Bolded statements caught my eye. I personally think this was... well, kind of ingenious! Your dog is getting annoying? Dinner time! Of course, the police showing up probably spoiled the meal. I don't know if PETA is active in New Zealand, but I bet they have a field day hearing stories like this. The people did nothing wrong; the dog was killed humanely (I guess a knock on the head with a hammer and a slit throat is humane?), and it wasn't against the law. Still, I think eating a pet, even one that pissed me off, wouldn't sit well with my stomach!
#2 Aug 18 2009 at 5:23 AM Rating: Decent
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What the @#%^ have you been up to, paulsol?

Edit: Well-cooked chihuahua supposedly tastes awesome.

Edited, Aug 18th 2009 1:24pm by zepoodle
#3 Aug 18 2009 at 5:33 AM Rating: Good
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If they're getting rid of the dog, being put down or eaten is neither here nor there for the dog. At least it served some purpose.
#4 Aug 18 2009 at 5:51 AM Rating: Good
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Auckland Mayor John Banks, an animal rights activist, told reporters that rather than a new law, what is needed is better education of local customs.


No, what is needed is better tolerance of other peoples' customs. Personally, while I think the idea of eating your dog is kind of gross, I don't see anything wrong with it, if that is in fact a common food in your home country / culture. It's not like the man did it out in the open - he did it in his own back yard.
#5 Aug 18 2009 at 6:03 AM Rating: Good
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Admiral LockeColeMA wrote:
(I guess a knock on the head with a hammer and a slit throat is humane?)
This is how my Dad killed cows for butchering on the farm - and as far as farmers go, my Dad was viewed as overly humane.

Do you think dog meat flavor varies much between breeds?










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#6 Aug 18 2009 at 6:18 AM Rating: Excellent
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Over the weekend, the organization decided it couldn't because the animal had been killed humanely.

The man, Halliday said, struck the dog in the head with a hammer, rendering it unconscious.
See Europe? There's nothing wrong with our seal hunts, keep buying our furs.
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#7 Aug 18 2009 at 6:47 AM Rating: Decent
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The people did nothing wrong


Of course they did. They just minimized the wrongness, which is admirable, but minimization does not erase the action, just mitigates it.
#8 Aug 18 2009 at 6:49 AM Rating: Good
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Pensive the Ludicrous wrote:
minimization


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#9 Aug 18 2009 at 6:53 AM Rating: Excellent
My fiance's dad tells a story about how he had an old army buddy that was in Japan after WWII as a peacekeeper. He and his unit were assigned to a small town and made were very friendly with with one most of the local families.

When it came time to go home, one of the locals wanted to cook a big meal for the American soldiers. The meal was delicious, and when they asked what it was they head of the family replied, "Inu", which is Japanese for dog. Slowly all the American soldiers put down their food when they realized that they hadn't seen Maru, the family's dog, since earlier that day, and some even started to cry as they realization of what they were eating sunk in.


Personally, I'd eat dog. I wouldn't eat a pet dog, but in countries like China and Korea dogs are raised specifically for food, I'd give it a go.


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Do you think dog meat flavor varies much between breeds?


Relevant breed is relevant. Smiley: drool2

Edited, Aug 18th 2009 9:59am by Tzemesce
#10 Aug 18 2009 at 7:01 AM Rating: Good
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Pensive the Ludicrous wrote:
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The people did nothing wrong


Of course they did. They just minimized the wrongness, which is admirable, but minimization does not erase the action, just mitigates it.
What did they do wrong?
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#11 Aug 18 2009 at 7:06 AM Rating: Excellent
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Elinda wrote:
Pensive the Ludicrous wrote:
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The people did nothing wrong


Of course they did. They just minimized the wrongness, which is admirable, but minimization does not erase the action, just mitigates it.
What did they do wrong?
They never invited anyone else over for some ribs.
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#12 Aug 18 2009 at 7:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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Pensive the Ludicrous wrote:
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The people did nothing wrong


Of course they did. They just minimized the wrongness, which is admirable, but minimization does not erase the action, just mitigates it.
What did they do wrong?


I think in Pensive's eyes, the fact that they killed and ate the dog is what they did wrong.

Personally, I disagree. It's no different than keeping a pig for a few years then slaughtering it. So long as the dog wasn't abused, I don't see the problem.

I'll admit, my first reaction was, "How could they do that?!" but upon further reflection, it seems that either way the dog was going to die.
#13 Aug 18 2009 at 8:23 AM Rating: Good
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Hey, with food costs skyrocketing this is an excellent idea. Plus, they saved themselves the gas milage of driving the dog to a shelter.

I approve.
#14 Aug 18 2009 at 8:35 AM Rating: Excellent
Yep, bludgeoning followed by a slit throat is the "proper" way to kill something you intend to skin or eat. I remember seeing a PETA video of a rabbit factory in China, where they used a crossbolt to the head instead of bludgeoning (faster and 99% of the time kills the rabbit instantly, whereas bludgeoning has a chance of going wrong.)

The shock value of it wears off when you realize that until the last couple hundred years, it's how almost all peoples of all cultures ate to survive.



#15 Aug 18 2009 at 8:54 AM Rating: Good
I can't see why this any more wrong than buying a cut of beef. He obviously didn't bond with the dog, which is a bit strange, but not criminal. There's nothing about dogs that makes it worse to kill them than pigs. They'e both around the same intelligence level. In our culture, it's strange to eat a dog, but not in his. I see no reason to be a cultural impeialist about it.

It should be noted that I think that killing anything to eat its flesh is unethical (ordinarily).

Edited, Aug 18th 2009 4:56pm by Kavekk
#16 Aug 18 2009 at 9:00 AM Rating: Good
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Kavekk wrote:
There's nothing about dogs that makes it worse to kill them than pigs.


Pigs are tastier.
#17 Aug 18 2009 at 9:12 AM Rating: Good
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Elinda wrote:
Pensive the Ludicrous wrote:
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The people did nothing wrong


Of course they did. They just minimized the wrongness, which is admirable, but minimization does not erase the action, just mitigates it.
What did they do wrong?


I think in Pensive's eyes, the fact that they killed and ate the dog is what they did wrong.

Personally, I disagree. It's no different than keeping a pig for a few years then slaughtering it. So long as the dog wasn't abused, I don't see the problem.

I'll admit, my first reaction was, "How could they do that?!" but upon further reflection, it seems that either way the dog was going to die.
Technically speaking its supposedly much more efficient to feed from the bottom of the food pyramid. Peeps should be feasting on grains and legumes. It takes a lot of resources to grow and butcher a cow, for what you get out of it.

However, if we agree that having animals for pets is ALSO of benefit to us (however unmearsurable that might be), the best and most efficient thing to do with them pets when we're done with them would be to eat them.
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#18 Aug 18 2009 at 9:15 AM Rating: Good
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Kavekk wrote:
There's nothing about dogs that makes it worse to kill them than pigs.


Pigs are tastier.


Not a fan of Chinese, huh?
#19 Aug 18 2009 at 9:17 AM Rating: Decent
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Hmm. I do have a kitten that's uncontrollably shitting all over everything. I was going to drop it off at the SPCA but maybe I'll make a snack of it on the barbecue.
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#20 Aug 18 2009 at 9:42 AM Rating: Good
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Hmm. I do have a kitten that's uncontrollably shitting all over everything. I was going to drop it off at the SPCA but maybe I'll make a snack of it on the barbecue.


Cats are taught by the mother to use the litter box at a young age. Your kitten was probably taken away from it's mother too young, I bet. I'd suggest grinding it's meat and making it into a cheezburger as a delicious turning of the tables.
#21 Aug 18 2009 at 10:17 AM Rating: Excellent
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My first thought was to wonder if the dog was a purebred and as such would it have fetched enough money to buy a lot more cow or pig meat than the meat the dog provided?
#22 Aug 18 2009 at 10:24 AM Rating: Good
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My fiance's dad tells a story about how he had an old army buddy that was in Japan after WWII as a peacekeeper. He and his unit were assigned to a small town and made were very friendly with with one most of the local families.

When it came time to go home, one of the locals wanted to cook a big meal for the American soldiers. The meal was delicious, and when they asked what it was they head of the family replied, "Inu", which is Japanese for dog. Slowly all the American soldiers put down their food when they realized that they hadn't seen Maru, the family's dog, since earlier that day, and some even started to cry as they realization of what they were eating sunk in.





I lived in Japan for many years and never ran across dog. I'm not saying he is wrong but definately not done now-a-days. At least not in the areas that I've lived.

I would never kill my dog to eat or a neighbours, ect... If I was in Africa or where ever and it was already on my plate.. Yes, I would try it. I loved alligator and turtle soup so far.
#23 Aug 18 2009 at 11:17 AM Rating: Good
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What the @#%^ have you been up to, paulsol?



Me? I've been enjoying immensely the first signs of spring! The trees are budding, the daffodils are starting to appear. The mountain has some good snow and the surf has been spectacular....

As far as the tongans eating their dog goes, it should be remebered that until recently they were eating each other.

And why get upset about people eating dogs? As you probably know, I think eating animals is pointless and bad for your health. I dont see any difference between eating a dog or a cow or a pig or a horse.

In fact, when it comes down to it, eating the dog is probably better for your own health because it wasn't raised under intensive farming conditions and wont be full of chemicals and hormones and fuck knows what else.

Enjoy your Mcshite burger, i'm off to weave some yoghurt.....
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#24 Aug 18 2009 at 11:45 AM Rating: Decent
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Admiral Tzemesce wrote:
Cats are taught by the mother to use the litter box at a young age. Your kitten was probably taken away from it's mother too young, I bet. I'd suggest grinding it's meat and making it into a cheezburger as a delicious turning of the tables.

I'm not sure who the mother is but I'm sure she's still around somewhere. None of the other dozen or so cats have shown this one the way.
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#25 Aug 18 2009 at 2:34 PM Rating: Excellent
Cats tend to go in the same spot they smell their previous **** or pee, so make sure you're using a REALLY good cleaner to eradicate the smell. I use Simple Solutions, an enzyming cleaner. It also handles red wine stains admirably.
#26 Aug 18 2009 at 2:36 PM Rating: Decent
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I can't see why this any more wrong than buying a cut of beef.


It's not more wrong. It is the same amount of wrong. You can be humane and still wrong about your actions. It's a good thing to be humane about slaughtering animals, but it's better not to do it at all. I know someone's going to ask so: yes, I eat meat. I think that I am a bad person in part for doing so. It's like any other bad habit.

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However, if we agree that having animals for pets is ALSO of benefit to us (however unmeasurable that might be), the best and most efficient thing to do with them pets when we're done with them would be to eat them.


Unless of course the shock and terror of the realization that you just ate your best friend of ten years makes you want to kill yourself or drives you to depression, sure, eat that puppy; for anyone else capable of forming emotional attachments like everyone who isn't a sociopath, it's probably not the best thing to do with a pet when you're "done" with it.
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