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#52 Aug 17 2009 at 8:24 AM Rating: Good
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Yeah that we don't trust govn.


Yep, that would be it. You see, in Canadaland we're not afraid of our elected leaders, because, well, we have common sense.
#53 Aug 17 2009 at 8:27 AM Rating: Default
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Yep, that would be it. You see, in Canadaland we're not afraid of our elected leaders, because, well, we have common sense.


Maybe you should question your leaders because from the looks of it Canada healthcare is failing miserably.

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"We all agree that the system is imploding, we all agree that things are more precarious than perhaps Canadians realize," Doing said in an interview with The Canadian Press.


http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5jbjzPEY0Y3bvRD335rGu_Z3KXoQw

#54 Aug 17 2009 at 8:39 AM Rating: Good
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Maybe you should question your leaders because from the looks of it Canada healthcare is failing miserably.


Are you kidding? My health care is awesome. I can go to any doctors office, any hospital, at any time and get anything I need done, and I don't have to worry about what it's going to cost. No one here dies from lack of treatment because they're broke.

If I find a weird lump on my leg, I go get it checked out, because it costs me nothing to get checked and make sure it's not a problem. This means I am way more likely to catch any issues in advance than your average low income American.

The only issue we've had with our health care system is wait times for non-critical emergency room visits. This is a GOOD thing. It means people aren't hesitating to get checked out. Even still, it's been improved dramatically. Every time I've had to take the wife in to emerg for an allergic reaction (skin rash, not even life threatening) she's been in and getting drugs within minutes.

I'm not sure where you're getting your information, but you are sorely misinformed, maybe you should send that one to Obama.
#55 Aug 17 2009 at 8:47 AM Rating: Good
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Hahahahahaha

Just read the article Varus linked. It's an article about IMPROVING the current health care system "Doig says there are some "very good things" about Canada's health-care system", the article is about the ANNUAL meeting doctors in Canada have to talk about things that can be improved and how to do it. This meeting is part of the reason our health care system is so awesome.
#56 Aug 17 2009 at 9:04 AM Rating: Excellent
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publiusvarus wrote:
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Yep, that would be it. You see, in Canadaland we're not afraid of our elected leaders, because, well, we have common sense.


Maybe you should question your leaders because from the looks of it Canada healthcare is failing miserably.
He didn't say we don't question our leaders, he said we're not afraid of them.
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#57 Aug 17 2009 at 9:05 AM Rating: Decent
Glad you think your coverage is great but according to the incoming president of the Canadian Medical Association that doesn't seem to be the case.

#58 Aug 17 2009 at 9:05 AM Rating: Excellent
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This gets even better. Our government provided health care will pay for my health needs while I'm visiting the US:

http://www.health.gov.on.ca/en/public/programs/ohip/outcountry_services.aspx
#59 Aug 17 2009 at 9:06 AM Rating: Excellent
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Or, I don't know, maybe use it to get people on board with giving them better healthcare.


or using it to target people who oppose the president. Exactly like he targeted auto dealers who supported the GOP and shut them down.


Ooo, ooo, I remember that argument! And remember how it something like 85% of auto dealers donated to Republican causes, and only 82% of the dealerships shut down were Republican? That was a fun time!
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#60 Aug 17 2009 at 9:10 AM Rating: Good
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Glad you think your coverage is great but according to the incoming president of the Canadian Medical Association that doesn't seem to be the case.


Uh huh, he says it can't be maintained the way it is, so they're going to fix it with some efficiency tweaks, like speeding up electronic medical file transfer times. Next year it'll be something else, and they'll fix it, quickly with a standard procedure that everyone will follow. Seems like a pretty healthy system to me.
#61 Aug 17 2009 at 10:02 AM Rating: Default
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Well, I'm happy to report the email reporting service is gone, for now, at least. Smiley: grin

When an email is sent to flag@whitehouse.gov, you get back the following response: (I removed some my personal stuff)

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Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients.

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The following recipient(s) could not be reached:

flag@whitehouse.gov on 8/17/2009 1:35 PM
The e-mail system was unable to deliver the message, but did not report a specific reason. Check the address and try again. If it still fails, contact your system administrator.
... The email address you just sent a message to is no longer in service.We are now accepting your feedback about health insurance reform via:http://www.whitehouse.gov/realitycheck (in reply to RCPT TO command)>


Apparently now if you find faulty info you can go to the realitycheck website and there find resources to thwart the flood of misinformation yourself. This is much more palatable to me.






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#62 Aug 17 2009 at 11:33 AM Rating: Excellent
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Huh. The e-mail address worked fine when I reported this thread to it so Varus, ThiefX & Co. could wind up on the Watch List.
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#63 Aug 17 2009 at 12:57 PM Rating: Decent
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The difference being...

The difference being that Obama isn't illegally wiretapping domestic phonelines to listen in on phone calls made by US citizens.


It's a good thing that only Conservatives repeat hysterical rumors as fact...


While there is a minor concern that names and email addresses will likely be passed along with the content, and that this information could be used to create "lists" of people engaged in "unamerican" speech and whatnot, the bigger and more direct concern to me is the whole idea that there's "goodfact" and "badfact" and that the Obama administration and his liberal friends feel it's their duty to tell the American public which is which.

There is absolutely an Orwellian aspect to this. It's one thing to respond to people's opinions when they are presented to you. It's another thing entirely to actively seek out the sources of "misinformation" upon which those opinions are formed and attempt to debunk, dismiss, or attack them. Regardless of what you believe, a Democracy can only stand as long as the individuals within it are free to discuss their views and opinions. Yes. Even the nutty ones. If ideas are that "out there", the government should not need to spend effort attempting to debunk them. If those ideas are common enough, they need to address them.


And that seems to be the real objective here. It's something I noticed during the campaign. When a question or concern was raised which the Obama campaign did not want to directly respond to, it would often just be dismissed as something that had already been debunked, usually with a reference to a site like factcheck.org (or one of their own web sites). The point being that this was used as a tactic to avoid discussion of certain ideas and issues. By having some web page somewhere which dismissed the opposition opinion, they could simply refer to said page and ignore it without ever engaging in any sort of real discussion or debate. My concern is that this is how this sort of thing will be used. A Democrat politician need not educate himself on the issues and know his position and how to defend it. It's being done for him by proxy. And anyone who continues to repeat something that has been debunked in this manner can just be dismissed as a crazy.


Dunno. I just think it's a form of thought warfare. We're not discussion ideas. We're just attacking those we don't like and convincing people not to agree with them, not on their own merits, by via association. Given that this is being done in a partisan manner, we're going to see only one sides "facts" disputed and dismissed. I think it is a really bad idea and will ultimately reduce healthy debate and discussion in favor of associative dismissal. We're already seeing a little bit of this, but if the government gets into the game as well, it'll be much much worse.
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#64 Aug 17 2009 at 1:03 PM Rating: Excellent
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It's a good thing that only Conservatives repeat hysterical rumors as fact...

If you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about!
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#65 Aug 17 2009 at 1:07 PM Rating: Good
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#67 Aug 17 2009 at 2:27 PM Rating: Good
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It's a good thing that only Conservatives repeat hysterical rumors as fact...

If you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about!


First off. Strawman. Second. That works right up until someone defines "wrong" as holding opinions which the government doesn't agree with.
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#68 Aug 17 2009 at 2:32 PM Rating: Good
I reiterate my position that Gjabi is completely clueless. If only there was a way to change his title to Pointy Haired Poster.
#69 Aug 17 2009 at 3:16 PM Rating: Decent
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I reiterate my position that Gjabi is completely clueless. If only there was a way to change his title to Pointy Haired Poster.


Apparently, "educated" in Newspeak means "clueless".
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#70 Aug 17 2009 at 3:23 PM Rating: Good
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I do believe you just got "woosh"ed twice in a row.

So, yeah, clueless.
#71 Aug 17 2009 at 3:27 PM Rating: Good
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Apparently, "educated" in Newspeak means "clueless".


Considering that you constantly and inexorably ridicule and abhor education whenever it disagrees with you, often going so far as to discourage the university system and public schools entirely, admittedly eschewing education for yourself in the fields of well lots of **** that you don't find valuable, yes, I'd say that equating educations with cluelessness is par for the course for you.
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That works right up until someone defines "wrong" as holding opinions which the government doesn't agree with.

If you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about!!!!!
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Apparently, "educated" in Newspeak means "clueless".
Considering that you constantly and inexorably ridicule

Gbaji used ridicule!!! SAUL ALINSKY RULE NUMBER FIVE!!!!!!!! OMG!!!!!!
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Pensive the Ludicrous wrote:
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Apparently, "educated" in Newspeak means "clueless".


Considering that you constantly and inexorably ridicule and abhor education whenever it disagrees with you, often going so far as to discourage the university system and public schools entirely, admittedly eschewing education for yourself in the fields of well lots of sh*t that you don't find valuable, yes, I'd say that equating educations with cluelessness is par for the course for you.


No. I don't define education based on whether the results of said education agree with my own opinions. Kind of subjective, isn't it? You'll note that when I disagree with someone, I don't say they are uneducated. I say they are wrong and clearly explain why. I'll ask you again to apply that keen observational capability towards yourself. Isn't it interesting that you equate my disagreement with things you believe in as a lack of, or disagreement with, "education"? Who's guilty of making that association here? Methinks it's you...


I'll point out again that these sorts of associative dismissals are designed to avoid debate and discussion and are not a substitute for them. There is a movement to simply define "truth" as what you agree with or believe in, and therefore allow you to simply ignore anything else as "untrue". Very convenient. And while that's annoying when done by private individuals, it's dangerous when it's being done by the government.

You see that, right?
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There is a movement to simply define "truth" as what you agree with or believe in, and therefore allow you to simply ignore anything else as "untrue". Very convenient.

This is funny as hell considering how easily and readily the Right has bought into "Anything not from Fox or AM radio is MAINSTREAM MEDIA and not be trusted." Smiley: laugh

You're about five years late in identifying this "movement".
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#76 Aug 17 2009 at 4:21 PM Rating: Excellent
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No. I don't define education based on whether the results of said education agree with my own opinions.


I don't believe that you think that you do, no.

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Isn't it interesting that you equate my disagreement with things you believe in as a lack of, or disagreement with, "education"?


It's extremely interesting that your spectacular logic education lead you to believe that I have asserted that, yes.

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