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#27REDACTED, Posted: Aug 17 2009 at 5:28 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) We can't even imagine the response by the left had W done something like this regarding opposition to the Iraq war.
#28 Aug 17 2009 at 5:37 AM Rating: Decent
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In a democracy, we don't lock people up for saying the wrong things.


We locked people up for being the wrong colour during ww2.


Is anyone surprised this sort of thing is coming from this administration?



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Good point. I assume crack teams of ninjas are being deployed as we speak to track and eliminate "cowboymonkey771@hotmail.com" even as we speak.


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Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It’s hard to counterattack ridicule, and it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage.



We can't even imagine the response by the left had W done something like this regarding opposition to the Iraq war.
I gotta agree with you on this one Varus. While I'm convinced the intent is just as it says, I dont like the precedence it sets one little bit.

Funny thing is, I'd been that White House website before this post happened, and didnt' even notice the rather small blurb of instructions towards the bottom asking people to 'report'.
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#29 Aug 17 2009 at 5:44 AM Rating: Excellent
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We locked people up for being the wrong colour during ww2.


Is anyone surprised this sort of thing is coming from this administration?


"This sort of thing" is not even vaguely similar to that sort of thing.

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#30 Aug 17 2009 at 6:07 AM Rating: Excellent
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publiusvarus wrote:
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In a democracy, we don't lock people up for saying the wrong things.


We locked people up for being the wrong colour during ww2.


Is anyone surprised this sort of thing is coming from this administration?


False. We locked up Japanese and Japanese Americans. Other Pacific Islanders/Asians were not locked up.

And no, I'm not surprised that the Obama administration would want to counter conservative smear and misinformation campaigns. How many people are?
#31 Aug 17 2009 at 6:13 AM Rating: Excellent
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We can't even imagine the response by the left had W done something like this regarding opposition to the Iraq war.

I can imagine the reaction from the Right because we saw it again and again each time questions came up. So I give it to you now knowing you'll be just as happy with it as you expected the Left to be.

"If you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about."
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#32 Aug 17 2009 at 6:23 AM Rating: Default
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So I give it to you now knowing you'll be just as happy with it as you expected the Left to be.


The difference being Obama is compiling lists of americans and the W administration was keeping an eye on suspected terrorists living abroad.

I know you don't see a difference here but it's there nonetheless.

#33 Aug 17 2009 at 6:25 AM Rating: Default
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"This sort of thing" is not even vaguely similar to that sort of thing.


Yes it is. First you isolate and identify the enemy. The next step involves taking them out.

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The difference being...

The difference being that Obama isn't illegally wiretapping domestic phonelines to listen in on phone calls made by US citizens.

But, hey -- if you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about.

Right? Right!
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#35 Aug 17 2009 at 6:49 AM Rating: Decent
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You've got to assume if the whitehouse is collecting this information, they intend to use it.

What are they going to do with it? Make an Obama Youtube vid to counter every piece of negative literature they come across (or is 'reported' to them). Not likely.

So, what do they do with all these reports of negative or erroneous information that they receive?

Sort of has a lil bit of a McCarthyism smell to it.


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#36 Aug 17 2009 at 7:07 AM Rating: Good
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You've got to assume if the whitehouse is collecting this information, they intend to use it.

What are they going to do with it? Make an Obama Youtube vid to counter every piece of negative literature they come across (or is 'reported' to them). Not likely.

So, what do they do with all these reports of negative or erroneous information that they receive?

Sort of has a lil bit of a McCarthyism smell to it.


I believe there was a plan to make a website to talk about the rumors and show how they are false. It would be updated and organized by workers or volunteers for the administration.

I could be wrong though, and such a website (or the plan for it) might not be related to this instance of rumor-gathering.

Edit: Actually, looking into it, I see several posts on the White House blog addressing the rumors and viral campaigns. It looks like they're collecting the rumors and addressing them there.
Addressing Some Misconceptions in Montana
The Return of the Viral E-Mail
Facts, Falsehoods, and the Benefits of Reform in Portsmouth
Reality Check, which includes a link to the website I was talking about before.

No, the more I read, the more it seems like the rumors are being collected to make it easy to shoot them down in one place, and the more obvious the tin-foil hats are made out to be.

Edited, Aug 17th 2009 11:08am by LockeColeMA
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What are they going to do with it? Make an Obama Youtube vid to counter every piece of negative literature they come across (or is 'reported' to them). Not likely.

So, what do they do with all these reports of negative or erroneous information that they receive?


Hmmm, let's stretch our imaginations to their very limits and envision such wild and wacky notions as...

AN FAQ!

It's not hard to imagine someone putting together a "setting the record straight" fact-sheet without reading anything sinister into it, FFS.
#38 Aug 17 2009 at 7:20 AM Rating: Default
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The difference being that Obama isn't illegally wiretapping domestic phonelines to listen in on phone calls made by US citizens.


Oh he isn't is he...

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"President Obama promised the American people a new era of transparency, accountability, and respect for civil liberties," said EFF Senior Staff Attorney Kevin Bankston. "But with the Obama Justice Department continuing the Bush administration's cover-up of the National Security Agency's dragnet surveillance of millions of Americans, and insisting that the much-publicized warrantless wiretapping program is still a 'secret' that cannot be reviewed by the courts, it feels like deja vu all over again."


http://www.eff.org/press/archives/2009/04/05

Makes you wonder who Obama is keeping his eye on considering he doesn't believe muslim terrorists exist anymore.

#39 Aug 17 2009 at 7:30 AM Rating: Good
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The intent is good, the wording sucks. What they should have said is:

If you see some information about health reform that concerns you or seems odd, ask about it at questions@whitehouse.gov and we'll be happy to provide accurate information so we can try to keep rumours to a minimum.

Even still, the fact that people actually believe (and more than a few from the looks of it) that this is some kind of watch list for dissenters says something about American culture.
#40REDACTED, Posted: Aug 17 2009 at 7:37 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Yoda,
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The intent is good, the wording sucks. What they should have said is:

If you see some information about health reform that concerns you or seems odd, ask about it at questions@whitehouse.gov and we'll be happy to provide accurate information so we can try to keep rumours to a minimum.

Even still, the fact that people actually believe (and more than a few from the looks of it) that this is some kind of watch list for dissenters says something about American culture.
I assume the intent is good too. But it does create a list, no?

How would you feel if you were on that list for expressing a political view?

I don't think it's a huge deal, simply carelessness. I'm kinda disappointed to see so many people here defending this though. I think if it was the exact same situation but under a republican administration, this thread would read very differently.
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#42 Aug 17 2009 at 7:54 AM Rating: Excellent
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It doesn't create a list of people, but of issues and falsehoods and misinformation.

If you hate seeing helpless misinformation being put on a list, well, okay. I guess.

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#43 Aug 17 2009 at 8:00 AM Rating: Default
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It doesn't create a list of people, but of issues and falsehoods and misinformation.


lmao...right.

#44 Aug 17 2009 at 8:06 AM Rating: Decent
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It doesn't create a list of people, but of issues and falsehoods and misinformation.

If you hate seeing helpless misinformation being put on a list, well, okay. I guess.
I'm guessing it will create a list of organizations, websites, email addresses. Or will it simply toss out the locale of the info once 'the false message' has been cataloged?

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Oh he isn't is he...

Excellent! You should be thrilled.

If you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about!
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#46 Aug 17 2009 at 8:09 AM Rating: Good
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publiusvarus wrote:
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Even still, the fact that people actually believe (and more than a few from the looks of it) that this is some kind of watch list for dissenters says something about American culture.


Yeah that we don't trust govn.


No... that you don't trust the Obama administration. Patriot Act and illegal wiretapping, those are for "terrorists" (even though both were used against US citizens) so they were fine, but a list of misinformation given by conservative smear campaigns? Oh heaven forbid!


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But it does create a list, no?

How would you feel if you were on that list for expressing a political view? t


Yeah... a list of rumors, NOT of people. Unless the rumor is something like "Such and such got screwed over, listen to their story!" If my name was on a list for a view, I'd be weirded out. Same thing if my pictures were used by a foreign company for advertising without my knowledge. But it's the internet... if you put something on it or send it to people, there's always the chance it'll get out. You knowingly run the risk when you hand out info online.

And yet this STILL isn't what you're making it out to be; or at the very least, there is no information that it is.

If it was the same situation under a Republican administration*, it wouldn't make the news; they'd collect any information they need and ask questions if the story leaked later.

*Note that I am going by this based on the Bush Jr. administration's actions. I cannot accurately predict what another, future, administration would do in a similar situation.
#47 Aug 17 2009 at 8:11 AM Rating: Default
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Excellent! You should be thrilled.

If you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about!



At least with W I believed he was using the information to thwart terrorists. Do we really think Obama's administration is doing the same?

Tell me how's that Iraqi cut and run policy going?



Edited, Aug 17th 2009 12:13pm by publiusvarus
#48 Aug 17 2009 at 8:14 AM Rating: Default
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No... that you don't trust the Obama administration. Patriot Act and illegal wiretapping, those are for "terrorists" (even though both were used against US citizens) so they were fine, but a list of misinformation given by conservative smear campaigns? Oh heaven forbid!


Obama's doing both. Where's the liberal outrage for "illegal wiretapping"? I guess it just doesn't matter that much now that a Dem is president.

#49 Aug 17 2009 at 8:16 AM Rating: Decent
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At least with W I believed he was using information to thwart terrorists. Do we really think Obama's administration is doing the same?


Nope. Instead he's going to use it to kidnap babies and eat them alive in dark rituals that are required for the resurrection of the antichrist.

Or, I don't know, maybe use it to get people on board with giving them better healthcare.
#50 Aug 17 2009 at 8:20 AM Rating: Default
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Or, I don't know, maybe use it to get people on board with giving them better healthcare.


or using it to target people who oppose the president. Exactly like he targeted auto dealers who supported the GOP and shut them down.

#51 Aug 17 2009 at 8:22 AM Rating: Good
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