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#1 Aug 15 2009 at 5:35 AM Rating: Good
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Saw this on my cousin's newsfeed today. I love the guy and all, but he is about as right-wing as you can get.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2029190/white_house_asks_us_to_turn_in_fishy.html?cat=7 wrote:
White House Asks Us to Turn in "Fishy" People for a New Enemy List .
Enemy List is Being Compiled -Called a "Fishy" List
Linda Douglass, the communication director of the White House's Health Reform Office has posted a video on the White House Blog : http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/Facts-Are-Stubborn-Things/ , She explains with visuals about the amount of wrong information out there regarding the
president's new health care reform. She points one out that says it will put private insurance out of business and goes on to say it is not true.

Then she asks if we, as the American people, will report these "fishy "posting" to the White House. This is a bit scary. Is the White House composing a list of people who are disagreeing with this reform? This woman is asking for the American people to judge what they are reading and if it looks "fishy" report it. What is "fishy"? You would think that if they are to go so far as to ask people to report on each other they would give you some guidelines under the code word , "fishy". Please supply us with the "Fishy" Guidelines or at least an eta when they will be arriving. I am not sure if what I heard this morning at the coffee shop would fall under the guidelines. Even if it did, I know nothing!

Compiling an Enemy list against health care reform made out of our neighbors is not something that is traditional for this great nation of ours.

I have an elderly neighbor who is afraid her insurance coverage will be in jeopardy. She is 92 and is having a tough time understanding all of this. Some of her quotes seem a bit "fishy". Is she "fishy"? I do not care if she is, her secret is safe with me. She has lived this long being able to ask these kinds of questions, I will not rain on her parade and tell her there are lists for people like her now. I hope she does not mention her confusion to a real good American. Can you imagine her stress level when she finds out she is on a list at the White House because she said something "fishy". Fishy to her is what something smells like when it has been in her refrigerator too long. She would be crushed to fall under that catagory.


Now, let's sift out the fact from the fiction here. The EXACT thing that is said is: "There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can’t keep track of all of them here at the White House, we’re asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to flag@whitehouse.gov." (from http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/Facts-Are-Stubborn-Things/)

To me, this says "We want to know what the e-mail says, or what the website says" NOT "we want to know who sent it." I mean, nowhere does it ask for the people who send it. They ask that if you see or hear a "fishy" rumor, tell the whitehouse blog about it. In my mind, the reason for that is to respond, you know?

Anyway, just wanted to bring it up and see if anyone else has seen yammering about this. I figure within a few days it would hit the bigger guns and then Varrus would post on it, and it would still be inane and foolish. Am I missing something?

Edit: I really suck at this whole avatar thing :-(

Edited, Aug 15th 2009 9:37am by LockeColeMA
#2 Aug 15 2009 at 5:41 AM Rating: Good
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What happened to turning in your neighbors for suspected terrorism if they weren't good Christians that went to church twice a week?
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#3 Aug 15 2009 at 6:08 AM Rating: Default
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So the Government wants you to email them if someone posts something in a blog or on a web site you don't think is true or agree with and it's ok because the Government just wants to "read" it and you see no problem with this?



Edited, Aug 15th 2009 10:14am by ThiefX
#4 Aug 15 2009 at 6:16 AM Rating: Good
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So the Government wants you to email them if someone posts something in a blog or on a web site you don't think is true or agree with and it's ok because the Government just wants to "read" it and you see no problem with this?


They're asking for content, not authors. No, I don't see anything fishy at all. They want to dispel rumors, especially wholly fictitious ones. And there certainly are a lot of those being generated these days.
#5 Aug 15 2009 at 6:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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This was news about two weeks ago. Your cousin needs to get on the ball. It's pretty much dropped off the radar for major outlets (even Fox's last major story about it via Google News was over a week ago) because... well... there's not much there unless you're wearing a tin foil hat.
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#6ThiefX, Posted: Aug 15 2009 at 6:47 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) So it's ok because the people who asked you to send them emails about other people say "it's ok" it's just about content and not about the people who wrote it and you believe them?
#7 Aug 15 2009 at 6:49 AM Rating: Decent
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Some of the rumors that people are buying into are surprising. I mean, seriously, death squads? come on, how can anyone believe that our country is buying into Eugenics.

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ThiefX wrote:
So it's ok because the people who asked you to send them emails about other people say "it's ok" it's just about content and not about the people who wrote it and you believe them?

Good point. I assume crack teams of ninjas are being deployed as we speak to track and eliminate "cowboymonkey771@hotmail.com" even as we speak.

This is, of course, assuming that I even left the treasonous Cowboymonkey771's address attached to the e-mail I forwards to the Ninja Deployment Division.
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#9 Aug 15 2009 at 7:16 AM Rating: Decent
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So it's ok because the people who asked you to send them emails about other people say "it's ok" it's just about content and not about the people who wrote it and you believe them?


Why not? If a government agency is interested in the spread of information and not hysteria, it makes sense to find and correct hysterical misinformation.

If you don't believe that it's possible for the government to have an innocuous purpose in investigating criticism, I don't know why you bother staying alive; the worldview required to endorse such deep suspicion like that would probably make Christ want to kill himself.

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I am aware that Christ "killed himself" at least ostensibly for this purpose in some theological views. It's a metaphor.

Edited, Aug 15th 2009 11:17am by Pensive
#10 Aug 15 2009 at 7:18 AM Rating: Decent
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ThiefX wrote:
So it's ok because the people who asked you to send them emails about other people say "it's ok" it's just about content and not about the people who wrote it and you believe them?

Good point. I assume crack teams of ninjas are being deployed as we speak to track and eliminate "cowboymonkey771@hotmail.com" even as we speak.

This is, of course, assuming that I even left the treasonous Cowboymonkey771's address attached to the e-mail I forwards to the Ninja Deployment Division.


Apparently ThiefX has never heard of "copy and paste" and believes the only way to disclose such emails to the government would be to forward the content of the email along with the full headers and a public record search of the individual who sent it.
#11 Aug 15 2009 at 7:48 AM Rating: Default
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Word on the street is it was the Democrats who started this rumor to try to turn it back on the Republicans in a political judo move to push health care reform through.

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ThiefX wrote:
So it's ok because the people who asked you to send them emails about other people say "it's ok" it's just about content and not about the people who wrote it and you believe them?

Good point. I assume crack teams of ninjas are being deployed as we speak to track and eliminate "cowboymonkey771@hotmail.com" even as we speak.

This is, of course, assuming that I even left the treasonous Cowboymonkey771's address attached to the e-mail I forwards to the Ninja Deployment Division.


Apparently ThiefX has never heard of "copy and paste" and believes the only way to disclose such emails to the government would be to forward the content of the email along with the full headers and a public record search of the individual who sent it


And obviously you don't get it. It's not about what is sent to the Governement it's the fact that the government is asking private citizens to inform them if someone says something they don't think is true or agree with.

And it's scary that so many people like you are ok with this.

Edited, Aug 15th 2009 12:09pm by ThiefX
#13 Aug 15 2009 at 8:26 AM Rating: Good
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Does ThiefX believe in the death squads?
#14 Aug 15 2009 at 8:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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Does ThiefX believe in the death squads?

I'm on the brutedeath squad.
#15 Aug 15 2009 at 8:58 AM Rating: Good
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The Bardalicious of Doom wrote:
Does ThiefX believe in the death squads?

DEATH SQUADS!!!!
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I choo choo choose YOU ThiefX!
#16 Aug 15 2009 at 10:13 AM Rating: Excellent
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ThiefX wrote:
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Jophiel wrote:
ThiefX wrote:
So it's ok because the people who asked you to send them emails about other people say "it's ok" it's just about content and not about the people who wrote it and you believe them?

Good point. I assume crack teams of ninjas are being deployed as we speak to track and eliminate "cowboymonkey771@hotmail.com" even as we speak.

This is, of course, assuming that I even left the treasonous Cowboymonkey771's address attached to the e-mail I forwards to the Ninja Deployment Division.


Apparently ThiefX has never heard of "copy and paste" and believes the only way to disclose such emails to the government would be to forward the content of the email along with the full headers and a public record search of the individual who sent it


And obviously you don't get it. It's not about what is sent to the Governement it's the fact that the government is asking private citizens to inform them if someone says something they don't think is true or agree with.

And it's scary that so many people like you are ok with this.

Edited, Aug 15th 2009 12:09pm by ThiefX

Ugh. "I disagree with everything you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

In a democracy, we don't lock people up for saying the wrong things. We have a debate out in the open air. It's the job of knowledgeable or right-minded people to speak out against misinformation, bigotry, immorality, criminal selfishness, whatever.

If one side of politics has prosecuted a major propaganda campaign comprising lies and scare tactics, against a desperately needed reform, I've got sympathy for the other side trying to find and grasp that toxic pile of sand, so that they can spread the truth and let people vote in a truly informed way.

As soon as anything goes remotely public, I think that at least a token "right of reply" should be given to the other side.

Edited, Aug 15th 2009 2:16pm by Aripyanfar
#17 Aug 15 2009 at 2:14 PM Rating: Excellent
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Totem wrote:
Word on the street is it was the Democrats who started this rumor to try to turn it back on the Republicans in a political judo move to push health care reform through.

Totem


Apparently the streets of Angola are about as reliable a news source as the streets of Paris, TX.

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#18 Aug 15 2009 at 5:45 PM Rating: Decent
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And obviously you don't get it. It's not about what is sent to the Governement it's the fact that the government is asking private citizens to inform them if someone says something they don't think is true or agree with.


No they're not.

Quote:
There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can’t keep track of all of them here at the White House, we’re asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to flag@whitehouse.gov."


They're asking private citizens if they see disinformation, like Sarah Palin, tell them about it so they can respond with, you know, actual information.

You guys can keep on trying to scare the American people away from Healthcare reform, though. If Obama isn't going to bother locking up the birthers, who're a helluva lot crazier, they aren't going to lock up the Sarah Palin's.
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#19 Aug 15 2009 at 6:08 PM Rating: Excellent
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I really need to stop responding to my conservative family members' crazy biased posts on facebook; I fel there is a flamewar coming up for everyone to see Smiley: laugh
#20 Aug 15 2009 at 9:26 PM Rating: Good
I'm more annoyed that the "flag@whitehouse.gov" email address is exempt from the Freedom of Information Act, which flies in the face of Obama's promises for more governmental transparency. After all, these rumors of authoritarian neighbor-spying could be quickly routed if the bored masses could see exactly what's being reported.

Disclaimer: No, I'm not trying to suggest that Big Brother is intentionally keeping these reports on our fellow comrades secret for nefarious purposes.
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Totem wrote:
Word on the street is it was the Democrats who started this rumor to try to turn it back on the Republicans in a political judo move to push health care reform through.

lolwut?
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#22 Aug 16 2009 at 8:49 AM Rating: Decent
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Hey, trust me on this, Sammy, Angolans have their ear to ground on the whole health care reform bidness. When it comes to good connections and being plugged into what Joe Everyman living on Maple Street is thinking, Joao Bolumbo from Luanda is the street.

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#23 Aug 16 2009 at 1:33 PM Rating: Decent
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I'd be more comfortable with the whole thing if they just instructed to ignore the email, don't spread it...blah, blah, blah.

'Reporting' to the email address flag@whitehouse.gov, sort of raises a 'flag' with me. I don't like it.
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#24 Aug 17 2009 at 2:37 AM Rating: Default
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Apparently ThiefX has never heard of "copy and paste" and believes the only way to disclose such emails to the government would be to forward the content of the email along with the full headers and a public record search of the individual who sent it.


Well seeing as how they tell you to "SEND IT to flag@whitehouse.gov," I can't imagine where ThiefX got that idea.

#25 Aug 17 2009 at 2:48 AM Rating: Good
If it pisses you off so much, why don't you sign that e-mail up for a bunch of neo con mailing lists & ****?

It will make you feel better.

Except the "neo-con" mailing lists are probably relevant to this "issue".
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#26 Aug 17 2009 at 4:16 AM Rating: Good
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golgiap wrote:
The Great BrownDuck wrote:

Apparently ThiefX has never heard of "copy and paste" and believes the only way to disclose such emails to the government would be to forward the content of the email along with the full headers and a public record search of the individual who sent it.


Well seeing as how they tell you to "SEND IT to flag@whitehouse.gov," I can't imagine where ThiefX got that idea.


They don't "tell you" to do anything. They want the information, not the people; nowhere does it ask for e-mails addresses or website domain. While those might come with it, I think it's obvious they want the misinformation, not the people talking about it.

I'm sure that since they asked about things you overhear in casual conversations, all the e-mails will be going to the White House blog as
"My friend Joe, who, by the way:
1. Lives at 123 Neo-Con Rd. Houston, TX
2. Is a life-longer Republican
3. Jerks off to Rush

said this! ...."
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