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#1 Aug 10 2009 at 6:58 AM Rating: Excellent
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So, here's the setup: a notorious member of the Manson family, a woman who committed several murders and expressed no remorse for years and years, is dying in prison of a brain tumor. She's reportedly 85% paralyzed and can't sit up.

She's up for a parole next month.

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Yes, after 40 years she's paid her debt. :5 (11.6%)
Yes, I don't believe we should pay for further medical treatment.:15 (34.9%)
No, hell no, let her rot. :19 (44.2%)
Other, see my reasoning in my thoughtful post below. :4 (9.3%)
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I'm divided. She's certainly no longer a threat, and it is VERY expensive caring for her on the state's dime. On the other hand she was once sentenced to death, and dying in prison has a certain symmetry.
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#2 Aug 10 2009 at 7:13 AM Rating: Good
I realize she's not a great person, but I don't see how releasing her does any good. She probably won't be able to afford the medical coverage outside of prison and might not be able to get treatment, so you might as well leave her there. It seems to me that it might be more humane that way.
#3 Aug 10 2009 at 7:14 AM Rating: Good
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Sure, why not? Prison contains threats. There's no point in keeping a paralyzed woman in jail out of some sense of vindictive outrage.
#4 Aug 10 2009 at 7:17 AM Rating: Good
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It would be interesting to know why she was denied parole the last 17 times it came up. I don't think the financial cost of her medical care should be an issue in the decision.

If she's met whatever criteria Cali uses to grant parole - well parole her.

I guess what I'm saying is, she should receive the same treatment as anyone else who committed like crimes - regardless of health, gender, notoriety, etc.

It's time like this that assisted, and even encouraged, suicide be available. Sounds like she just needs to just pass from this world.
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#5 Aug 10 2009 at 7:19 AM Rating: Excellent
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I don't factor her condition into it. She was sentenced to a term and, baring parole for standard reasons (I'm no expert in how they decide who to parole but failing it 17 times doesn't speak well) she should serve her term.
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#6 Aug 10 2009 at 7:30 AM Rating: Excellent
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There's a Parole Board that reviews cases, interviews the prisoner and family members of the victim (or in non-murder cases the victims themselves), etc.

Sharon Tate's sister has apparently made something of a crusade of keeping Manson family members in prison. I understand how something like that can consume a person, but I'm not sure it's entirely healthy.

Vincent Bugliosi, who prosecuted Atkins, Manson and others, has spoken out in favor of releasing her to die at home (she is married and her husband is campaigning for her release).

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#7 Aug 10 2009 at 7:43 AM Rating: Good
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I'm divided. She's certainly no longer a threat, and it is VERY expensive caring for her on the state's dime.

Would she not get government medical care anyway as a (presumably) indigent?

Edit: Oh, didn't know she got married while in prison, ha. I guess her husband would have coverage for her.



Edited, Aug 10th 2009 10:45am by trickybeck
#8 Aug 10 2009 at 7:50 AM Rating: Good
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
I realize she's not a great person, but I don't see how releasing her does any good. She probably won't be able to afford the medical coverage outside of prison and might not be able to get treatment, so you might as well leave her there. It seems to me that it might be more humane that way.


I'd go with this, if I felt like it would be within me to still treat someone who did what she did humanely.
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#9 Aug 10 2009 at 7:53 AM Rating: Decent
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Sharon Tate's sister has apparently made something of a crusade of keeping Manson family members in prison. I understand how something like that can consume a person, but I'm not sure it's entirely healthy.


Her quotes in that article did basically make me want to distrust anything that she had to say about the question of parole.
#10 Aug 10 2009 at 8:40 AM Rating: Excellent
I voted other. I think we should set up an arena in which disabled criminals fight for their freedom (and our amusement!) - a crippliseum, if you will. Now, I know some of you "liberals", Pensive in particular, are going to say that this is inhumane, so let me pre-empt your complaints. Yes, it's a little cruel to tempt people to beat each other to a bloody pulp. Yes, it's somewhat depraved to watch them do so on national television. But is this really worse than I'm A Celebrity Get Me Out Of Here, than Big Brother? I think not. No, I am not suggesting we lower the bar, I am merely suggesting we perpetuate the status quo. And isn;t that what everyone wants, deep, deep down? For tommorow to be pretty much like today?
#11 Aug 10 2009 at 8:47 AM Rating: Decent
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You know I've never really understood how to deal with nested questions like that. You can't just interrupt the thought and put a question mark in the middle of it, else you end up making the second question a fragment. It doesn't seem very groovy to just leave the first question unpunctuated though, because it is, in fact, a question, and should be treated as such. The only other option would be using the question mark and then a comma to link the next clause, but that's just right out man, I mean, nuh uh.

Edited, Aug 10th 2009 12:47pm by Pensive
#12 Aug 10 2009 at 12:10 PM Rating: Decent
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I say, reinstate her death penalty and put her and the taxpayers out of their misery.
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#13 Aug 10 2009 at 7:23 PM Rating: Good
If they find her eligible for parole, let her out, if not keep her in.

Dunno what significance dying is supposed to play in this;

Can she agree to abide by her parole? If yes proceed.

Does she pass the psychological exam? If yes proceed.

Do the members of the parole board feel it is safe to allow her the privilege of parole? If yes, allow parole.

I don't see why the rules shouldn't just be abided by as normal for this situation.
#14 Aug 10 2009 at 9:27 PM Rating: Excellent
Nah, keep her in there.

This is Karma working as intended.
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#15 Aug 10 2009 at 9:47 PM Rating: Excellent
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Free her... with a .50 shell right between the brain lobes. Bullets are cheap. I don't want to pay for some murderer to rot in prison. Shoot em and dig a hole.
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#16 Aug 12 2009 at 10:11 PM Rating: Good
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Free her... with a .50 shell right between the brain lobes. Bullets are cheap. I don't want to pay for some murderer to rot in prison. Shoot em and dig a hole.


We could cut the middle man and just dig the hole...
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