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#27 Aug 12 2009 at 7:27 AM Rating: Good
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Oh dear, a tissue of whoppers:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/aug/11/nhs-united-states-republican-health

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The National Health Service has become the butt of increasingly outlandish political attacks in the US as Republicans and conservative campaigners rail against Britain's "socialist" system as part of a tussle to defeat Barack Obama's proposals for broader government involvement in healthcare.

Top-ranking Republicans have joined bloggers and well-funded free market organisations in scorning the NHS for its waiting lists and for "rationing" the availability of expensive treatments.

As myths and half-truths circulate, British diplomats in the US are treading a delicate line in correcting falsehoods while trying to stay out of a vicious domestic dogfight over the future of American health policy.
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#29 Aug 12 2009 at 8:00 AM Rating: Decent
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And these same surveys overwhelmingly show that americans who have health care are very satifisfied with their coverage.
Really?
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#30 Aug 12 2009 at 8:01 AM Rating: Excellent
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How nice for those of us with coverage. What about the 25% or so without coverage?

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#31REDACTED, Posted: Aug 12 2009 at 8:05 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Samy,
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Uh-huh, okay, whatever.


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#33 Aug 12 2009 at 8:33 AM Rating: Excellent
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publiusvarus wrote:
Nobby,

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Surveys of people who have used the NHS show an extremely high satisfaction rate.


And these same surveys overwhelmingly show that americans who have health care are very satifisfied with their coverage.
Not true, and even then, it's only those who *do* have cover.
(colleagues at Kaiser, United Healthcare etc are constantly visiting UK to find out how we get the satisfaction figures they dream of)

publiusvarus wrote:
Don't bother to mention, we already know, the quality of care or how much more advanced medical care is in general based on what the US health system spends on new research and development is far superior to the UK.
Wrong. Factually incorrect. We spend a higher proportion of GDP on healthcare R&D than USA.

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#34 Aug 12 2009 at 8:34 AM Rating: Good
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publiusvarus wrote:
Samy,

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How nice for those of us with coverage. What about the 25% or so without coverage?


Perhaps you should consider paying for your own coverage rather than steal from your neighbor.


lol WUT?
#35REDACTED, Posted: Aug 12 2009 at 9:03 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Nobby,
#36 Aug 12 2009 at 9:15 AM Rating: Excellent
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publiusvarus wrote:
Nobby,

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We spend a higher proportion of GDP


Translation;

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We spend less than the US


You know they're like 1/8th the size of us, right?
#37REDACTED, Posted: Aug 12 2009 at 11:07 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Ash,
#38 Aug 12 2009 at 11:19 AM Rating: Good
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You know they're like 1/8th the size of us, right?


and?

If we weren't spending most of our gdp on social programs bombs, planes and tanks I'm sure our percentage would be much higher.


I agree.
#39 Aug 12 2009 at 11:50 AM Rating: Default
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If we weren't spending most of our gdp on social programs bombs, planes and tanks I'm sure our percentage would be much higher.


This further illustrates how stupid liberals really are. Do you even know how much of the GDP is spent on the military? Now compare that with social security, medicare, medicaid, welfare, food stamps, and the numerous other social programs designed to transfer wealth from the producers to the non-producers who they hope to vote for them next time around.

Once again another glaring example of the product of a public education; thank you maji.





Edited, Aug 12th 2009 3:51pm by publiusvarus
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publiusvarus wrote:
Ash,

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You know they're like 1/8th the size of us, right?


and?



Shouldn't you be praising the efficacy of small size RnD like you praise everything else that's not a large and bloated Legion of money devouring evil, or is decrying the use of your money on healthcare development only appropriate when it helps someone else?
#41 Aug 12 2009 at 12:01 PM Rating: Good
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This further illustrates how stupid liberals really are. Do you even know how much of the GDP is spent on the military? Now compare that with social security, medicare, medicaid, and the numerous other social programs designed to transfer wealth from the producers to the non-producers who they hope to vote for them next time around.

Once again another glaring example of the product of a public education; thank you maji.


A sizeable portion of healthcare costs are those associated with military injuries (some estimate over 2 trillion USD of injuries in the Iraq war alone, though this is over a long period of time). Social security as a whole is more expensive than the United States Military. Healthcare, unless it is reformed quickly, which it won't be, will continue to eat up the US' GDP at an ever increasing rate.
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This further illustrates how stupid liberals really are. Do you even know how much of the GDP is spent on the military? Now compare that with social security, medicare, medicaid, welfare, food stamps, and the numerous other social programs designed to transfer wealth from the producers to the non-producers who they hope to vote for them next time around.


I'm with you. The GOP should run on abolishing Social Security and Medicare in 2010. Doesn't seem possible it could lose that way.
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#44 Aug 12 2009 at 3:42 PM Rating: Good
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As opposed to passing it and having to deal with massive tax increases?


No, that's what you'll have to deal with if you don't reform the system, Varrus.
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colleagues at Kaiser


I just today told a Kaiser exec to go fuck himself at work. Small world.

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#46 Aug 13 2009 at 4:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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publiusvarus wrote:
Nobby,

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We spend a higher proportion of GDP


Translation;

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We spend less than the US


and you spend less than China or India.

Your point?
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#47 Aug 13 2009 at 4:16 AM Rating: Good
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Smasharoo wrote:

colleagues at Kaiser


I just today told a Kaiser exec to go fuck himself at work.
They feel wrong-footed if you don't.
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Wait, did Varrus just compare the Military to a social program? Smiley: dubious
#49 Aug 13 2009 at 5:11 AM Rating: Good
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Wait, did Varrus just compare the Military to a social program? Smiley: dubious
You can't really blame him.

If Obama gets his muslim communist-crazed way, the next thing will be publicly funded Fire Departments, Schools, Libraries, Police and Armed Forces!

American Citizens should be free to personally employ their own cops, teachers, doctors, paramedics, firemen, soldiers, airmen and sailors. What could possibly go wrong with that?

I also note that the focus is on the uninsured. What about the insured who are denied care for 'pre-existing conditions' or because procedures that are common practise around the world are still deemed 'experimental' by US Insurers? And as for co-payments. . . .

Edited, Aug 13th 2009 1:28pm by Nobby
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#50 Aug 13 2009 at 6:10 AM Rating: Excellent
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On a related note, it's refreshing that when you've borked up your healthcare system, the Brits will help Varrus out.

Smiley: lol
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#51REDACTED, Posted: Aug 13 2009 at 6:36 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Nobby,
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