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#27 Aug 06 2009 at 7:07 AM Rating: Excellent
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Goggy wrote:
I would have thought it would come from AP or Reuters, but the end result is the same, just under licence.


Some of it probably is, but WSJ and a few others do still employ actual reporters who generate original stories, in-depth coverage and analysis and what not.

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#28 Aug 06 2009 at 7:11 AM Rating: Excellent
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Goggy wrote:
I would have thought it would come from AP or Reuters, but the end result is the same, just under licence.

The WSJ relies more heavily on in-house content than most other papers. Part of what distinguishes them (and papers like the NYT) is that they're not just distribution networks for wire services.
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#29 Aug 06 2009 at 7:18 AM Rating: Good
I also find it sad that people are outraged that they can't get news for free while print newspapers are floundering and going out of business. And not just because my husband works for a print newspaper, I swear.
#30 Aug 06 2009 at 7:18 AM Rating: Decent
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Probably why the WSJ has managed to create subscription service.

The comments page on the Guardian is quite funny. obviously not a lot of love for Rup.
#31 Aug 06 2009 at 7:20 AM Rating: Excellent
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Goggy wrote:
Probably why the WSJ has managed to create subscription service.


Also why they need to.

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Just 'cause I was curious, I browsed over the main page of WSJ Online. Out of 17 stories (non-editorials) I checked, three were AP and the other 14 were WSJ content.

That's not to prove anyone wrong, I was legitimately curious since I remembered it being news when the WSJ started running AP content at all.
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#33 Aug 06 2009 at 7:26 AM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:
Just 'cause I was curious, I browsed over the main page of WSJ Online. Out of 17 stories (non-editorials) I checked, three were AP and the other 14 were WSJ content.

That's not to prove anyone wrong, I was legitimately curious since I remembered it being news when the WSJ started running AP content at all.


No kudos to you for taking the time to find out. I just assumed these days that most news agencies subscribed to wire services.

Although bespoke content isn't a guarantee of good journalism. Smiley: wink
#34 Aug 06 2009 at 7:26 AM Rating: Decent
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But freedom to speak to whom?


Anyone who will listen, of their own accord and with no coercion. You don't have the right to be heard. You have the right to speak. If you want to promulgate some message then you need to make people want to hear it.

You also don't have the right to hear. If commercial business decides that they don't want you listening to what they have to say, or wants you to pay for the opportunity, then they can. It's not like you can force them to tell you news. If you want your own news then get a reporters badge and go to Tehran or something.
#35 Aug 06 2009 at 7:30 AM Rating: Good
Goggy wrote:
I just assumed these days that most news agencies subscribed to wire services.


They do. Mostly in case they can't get a story in by deadline and need filler. And for a lot of smaller papers, they have to subscribe to the wire service because their reporters can't cover worldwide news.
#36 Aug 06 2009 at 7:58 AM Rating: Decent
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I just renewed my annual subscription to my local public broadcast system which uses NPR content and so supports them indirectly. NPR is my first stop for national news on the internet.

Murdock charging to read it's crap = denial of free speech? Smiley: lol...funniness.

Offering up personalized news/weather/local sutff, message/email services, access to discounts, deals and coupons - are all strategies I've heard News Companies trying to get and keep paying subscribers in the internet age.








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#37 Aug 06 2009 at 8:10 AM Rating: Good
I tend to read the telegraph online, juts because its easy to find all the 'weird' news stories .

I'd probably pay for it if they ever started charging for it, but only if it was less or no more than the cost of buying the paper .
#38 Aug 06 2009 at 10:00 AM Rating: Decent
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Shit, I still enjoy reading wood-pulp prints of the NYT. My sisters brought one with her when they came up from North Carolina. Granted it's now four days old but it's better than nothing. I almost got a subscription when I lived down closer to the city but I may not be able to get it delivered up here or in Albany.
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#39 Aug 06 2009 at 10:13 AM Rating: Good
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I almost got a subscription when I lived down closer to the city but I may not be able to get it delivered up here or in Albany.


I imagine they can mail it to you. We could get the Detroit Free Press down here in Nashville, but it'll be a little old by the time it gets to us.
#40 Aug 06 2009 at 6:03 PM Rating: Good
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My parents got the NYTs delivered here in Baltimore and I would also if I could afford it. Instead I went with the cheaper cost of an annual subscription that became few some time a few years ago, as it wasn't covering there costs.

It's one of the few Papers I am willing to pay for it's coverage of World and National News. I also have several other memberships to Newspapers online, so to be sure to get updates on news stories that interest me. Then I'm a News Junkie that spends so much time reading the NYT online, that I no longer have time to play online games. (though I did give in to my facebook friends today and open a FarmVille account.)


The fact that my parents read both the WashPost and NYT before they looked at the Baltimore Sun, gave me time to run over and tell them that their grand daughter made the front page of the Balt Sun.
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#41 Aug 06 2009 at 9:24 PM Rating: Decent
Despite me being a US citizen, I still read BBC News.

Strange? Perhaps.
#42 Aug 11 2009 at 7:59 AM Rating: Good
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I have not seen this issue with the Canadian News site I frequent (CBC), but I would not be surprised if this started to happen with more and more news networks. They seem to be scrambling for any 'new' revenue streams.
#43 Aug 11 2009 at 9:05 AM Rating: Good
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GwynapNud the Eccentric wrote:
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When it becomes a requirement to be online to receive news and you need to pay for it, thats the end of free speech.

What?

"Free speech" is the freedom to speak, not the freedom to receive free access to commercial content.


But freedom to speak to whom? Without the backing of a distribution network, your voice is lost. One the fabulous by products of the internet has been the empowerment of the consumer through message boards, news sites and dare I say it, certain message boards of pissy techies who companies daren't cross. Dell and others have all suffered at the hands of the internet herd. Baaaaaaaa.

Now, the problem is, if making yourself heard on a mass scale would require you to publicise in a mass media outlet that is controlled by the state or state run companies that only paying subscribers sign up to. It could easily turn into a form of soft discrimination.

Free speech is great but as politicians know all too well, you need backing and time to make yourself heard.

Call me a cynic but I am seeing a gradual change of the internet from a place to be free to express yourself to one of a controlled media. But which quango or screening software will control our access?

Your response seems a little blithe from one who lives in a country where freedom of speech is supposedly prized.


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But freedom to speak to whom? Without the backing of a distribution network, your voice is lost.


So there was no such thing as free speech before the Internet?

Are you really this stupid, or just terminally bored? Drunk, maybe?



This is not about free speech, as the vehicle used to facilitate that free speech.




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#44 Aug 11 2009 at 9:27 AM Rating: Decent
My take on what is happening now is that basically newspapers simply don't have the funds they once had and thus spend less on news.

For well over a decade I've been turning down offers of free newspapers delivered to my door. I don't want to clean up after someone dumping on my lawn. Their model is broken.

Any mechanism they use to get money will, to some degree, be plowed back into news.

I'm not sure they've found the mechanism yet (as, of course, everyone here is saying). I don't think the news as an industry will be the size it once was - and unfortunately what people are willing to actually pay for is more likely going to be less objective.
#45 Aug 11 2009 at 1:12 PM Rating: Good
This probably won't affect me for a long time to come. I don't really follow any news larger than local stuff, unless it's specialized news, like gaming or something. Once the local rags start charging, even for their newspaper, I'll probably just stop reading them, and reminisce about the good ole days when CityPages, Vita.MN, and The Skyway News were all free, and local news meant something and still had heart... or something.
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