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#1 Aug 06 2009 at 3:00 AM Rating: Good
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Rupert Murdochs News Corp is to begin charging for on-line news

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News Corp is set to start charging online customers for news content across all its websites.

The media giant is looking for additional revenue streams after announcing big losses.

The company lost $3.4bn (£2bn) in the year to the end of June, which chief executive Rupert Murdoch said had been "the most difficult in recent history".

News Corp owns the Times and Sun newspapers in the UK and the New York Post and Wall Street Journal in the US.


It seems I may have to stop reading the times online website soon, as I certainly will not pay to view it. I have other methods of receiving the news.

This does mark a precident though. If all the news providers start switching to subscription based news instead of advertising revenue, will that only exaggerate digital poverty where those without the money are not able to view the news?

Thoughts anyone?
#2 Aug 06 2009 at 3:10 AM Rating: Excellent
Can we really define NewsCorp as "News", though? Isn't it the end of free propaganda?

To be honest, I'm glad NewsCorp will be charging for their crap, it means less people will be reading it.
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#3 Aug 06 2009 at 3:13 AM Rating: Excellent
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Come over to The Guardian Gwyn, it's a much better website.
#4 Aug 06 2009 at 3:14 AM Rating: Excellent
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Goggy wrote:
Come over to The Guardian Gwyn, it's a much better website.


Adding it to my favourites now
#5 Aug 06 2009 at 3:47 AM Rating: Excellent
I get all my news from newsmax.com.
#6 Aug 06 2009 at 4:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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It'd be a shame if you couldn't read the New York Post any longer. A right shame.

But, anyway, newspapers typically aren't free, right? And they still show the news every evening? I don't see any big social issue here, just a migration from physical media to digital and a need to pay the bills.
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#7 Aug 06 2009 at 4:07 AM Rating: Decent
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Is this viable though? With so many different websites having news content, people, surely, will just switch.
#8 Aug 06 2009 at 4:18 AM Rating: Good
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Goggy wrote:
Is this viable though? With so many different websites having news content, people, surely, will just switch.


This is what I was thinking. As long as people can get ANY news for free, they'll probably flock to that.

Granted, the WSJ Online seems to do OK business, but I was under the impression that there are few publications on the same level as it.
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Goggy wrote:
Is this viable though?

For a top tier newspaper like the Wall Street Journal, maybe (I think they already charge for some access). I don't know who would pay to read the NY Post.
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#10 Aug 06 2009 at 4:40 AM Rating: Good
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"Quality journalism is not cheap," said Murdoch.


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introducing charges for access to all his news websites, including the Times, the Sun and the News of the World, by next summer.


Smiley: laugh

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/aug/06/rupert-murdoch-website-charges
#11 Aug 06 2009 at 4:49 AM Rating: Good
The Washinton Post and a few others already have a cap on the number of articles you can view anonymously per day. If you view more than 3 or so, you're asked to sign up for a free account to gain access to the rest of the articles. This alone drives me to other news sites. Paying for news? Not in my vocabulary...
#12 Aug 06 2009 at 4:53 AM Rating: Excellent
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Goggy wrote:
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"Quality journalism is not cheap," said Murdoch.


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introducing charges for access to all his news websites, including the Times, the Sun and the News of the World, by next summer.


Smiley: laugh

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/aug/06/rupert-murdoch-website-charges


You may laugh but people pay to buy the sun and the news of the world. I picture swarms of chavs with fruitphones sighing up for it (at the same time as the rights to watch football).

I'm still concerned that as we go on with the conversion of media into digital form that we will end up denying the less fortunate access to mainstream media and news. When it becomes a requirement to be online to receive news and you need to pay for it, thats the end of free speech. Its no coincidence that all dictatorial regimes crackdown on the media to control the outflow of information. If we accidentally end up with information being controlled by access to money then we have created all the mechanisms for a dictatorship to thrive, for a police state to take over.

Of course, I'm just being alarmist, but I still feel that paying for access to news would be the start of a slippery slope into controlled state media.

Here endeth Gwyns rant of the day.
#13 Aug 06 2009 at 4:53 AM Rating: Good
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Goggy wrote:
Is this viable though? With so many different websites having news content, people, surely, will just switch.


This is what I was thinking. As long as people can get ANY news for free, they'll probably flock to that.


There's news and news, though. If all you want is the basic headlines and facts, then yeah, you can get those anywhere, for free, and this will probably remain the case in the forseeable future, simply because of the mass of news content out there.

But for in-depths anlysis, or if you want something a bit more tailored to your particular interests, then you'll probably it makes sense to pay, and there's some stuff you can't get anywhere else, even for free.

So yeah, short headlines should be free, but decent content we'll have to pay for eventually.
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GwynapNud the Eccentric wrote:
When it becomes a requirement to be online to receive news and you need to pay for it, thats the end of free speech.

What?

"Free speech" is the freedom to speak, not the freedom to receive free access to commercial content.
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#15 Aug 06 2009 at 5:20 AM Rating: Good
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There's always the Beeb, we'll keep payin for it so you can use it Smiley: dubious
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Jophiel wrote:
GwynapNud the Eccentric wrote:
When it becomes a requirement to be online to receive news and you need to pay for it, thats the end of free speech.

What?

"Free speech" is the freedom to speak, not the freedom to receive free access to commercial content.


But freedom to speak to whom? Without the backing of a distribution network, your voice is lost. One the fabulous by products of the internet has been the empowerment of the consumer through message boards, news sites and dare I say it, certain message boards of pissy techies who companies daren't cross. Dell and others have all suffered at the hands of the internet herd. Baaaaaaaa.

Now, the problem is, if making yourself heard on a mass scale would require you to publicise in a mass media outlet that is controlled by the state or state run companies that only paying subscribers sign up to. It could easily turn into a form of soft discrimination.

Free speech is great but as politicians know all too well, you need backing and time to make yourself heard.

Call me a cynic but I am seeing a gradual change of the internet from a place to be free to express yourself to one of a controlled media. But which quango or screening software will control our access?

Your response seems a little blithe from one who lives in a country where freedom of speech is supposedly prized.
#17 Aug 06 2009 at 6:10 AM Rating: Excellent
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But freedom to speak to whom? Without the backing of a distribution network, your voice is lost.


So there was no such thing as free speech before the Internet?

Are you really this stupid, or just terminally bored? Drunk, maybe?

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#18 Aug 06 2009 at 6:15 AM Rating: Good
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If someone really wants to be heard they can always make a blog or something. This has nothing to do with freedom of speech.Smiley: oyvey
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GwynapNud the Eccentric wrote:
But freedom to speak to whom? Without the backing of a distribution network, your voice is lost.

Blogspot. Wordpress. Facebook. Forum=4. Whoever. The problem isn't a lack of distribution, it's that the commercial enterprises actually expect to get paid for distributing stuff to you. If Murdoch (or whoever) was worried that their freedom of speech was being suppressed, the solution is simple -- allow free access to your writings.

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Your response seems a little blithe from one who lives in a country where freedom of speech is supposedly prized.

It's also a country where, until a few years ago, if you wanted a copy of the newspaper you had the expectation that it would cost you four bits. Charging for access to the paper isn't the new thing here, expecting to be able to do it for free just because you own a computer is the new thing.

Edited, Aug 6th 2009 9:19am by Jophiel
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Samira wrote:
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But freedom to speak to whom? Without the backing of a distribution network, your voice is lost.


So there was no such thing as free speech before the Internet?

Are you really this stupid, or just terminally bored? Drunk, maybe?



This is not about free speech, as the vehicle used to facilitate that free speech.


#21 Aug 06 2009 at 6:23 AM Rating: Good
GwynapNud the Eccentric wrote:
Call me a cynic but I am seeing a gradual change of the internet from a place to be free to express yourself to one of a controlled media.


I wouldn't call you a cynic, just a bit slow. This change has been happening since the very begining of internet. You could even make an argument saying that internet has been a story of tension between free-user-generated-content and commercial companies and governents.

It's been like this since people first discovered Napster. Maybe even before. The only new thing is the content, not the struggle.
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#22 Aug 06 2009 at 6:26 AM Rating: Excellent
The only change I foresee happening is that people outside of Sam's Club will eventually stop asking me for paper subscriptions to the Atlanta Journal Constitution and will instead start asking me to sign up for digital ones.

Good, less dead trees in the end.
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GwynapNud the Eccentric wrote:
This is not about free speech, as the vehicle used to facilitate that free speech.

The "vehicle" being what? The Wall Street Journal? The internet in general?

The WSJ owns their content. It's 100% up to them to allow access to it on whatever terms they choose. For free, to pay-per-view, for subscriptions, to bury it and never let anyone see it, etc. If they want to generate content and only show it to select people... why not? They're not stopping anyone else from doing their own thing with content they create.
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#24 Aug 06 2009 at 6:45 AM Rating: Good
When did Gwyn trip and fall into the retarded pool?


In before "years ago".
#25 Aug 06 2009 at 6:48 AM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:
GwynapNud the Eccentric wrote:
This is not about free speech, as the vehicle used to facilitate that free speech.

The "vehicle" being what? The Wall Street Journal? The internet in general?

The WSJ owns their content. It's 100% up to them to allow access to it on whatever terms they choose. For free, to pay-per-view, for subscriptions, to bury it and never let anyone see it, etc. If they want to generate content and only show it to select people... why not? They're not stopping anyone else from doing their own thing with content they create.


I would have thought it would come from AP or Reuters, but the end result is the same, just under licence.

Anyway, no one panic, 'Auntie' has your back.
#26 Aug 06 2009 at 7:01 AM Rating: Good
The only problem I see with news websites charging for content is a switch from people getting thier news from actual news websites to thinking that what they read on blogs is actual news.

Not that it isn't happening already, of course.
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