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#1 Aug 05 2009 at 11:27 PM Rating: Excellent
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(CNN) -- The American Psychological Association concluded Wednesday that there is little evidence that efforts to change a person's sexual orientation from gay or lesbian to heterosexual are effective.

The report looks at 87 studies conducted between 1960 and 2007.

In addition, the 138-page report -- covering 87 peer-reviewed studies -- said that such efforts may cause harm.

"Contrary to claims of sexual orientation change advocates and practitioners, there is insufficient evidence to support the use of psychological interventions to change sexual orientation," said Judith M. Glassgold, chairwoman of the task force that presented the report at the group's annual meeting in Toronto, Canada. The Washington-based association represents more than 150,000 members.

"At most, certain studies suggested that some individuals learned how to ignore or not act on their homosexual attractions. Yet, these studies did not indicate for whom this was possible, how long it lasted or its long-term mental health effects. Also, this result was much less likely to be true for people who started out only attracted to people of the same sex."

In response, the group's governing Council of Representatives passed a resolution Wednesday urging mental health professionals not to recommend to their clients that they can change their sexual orientation through therapy or any other methods.

The group's Task Force on Appropriate Therapeutic Responses to Sexual Orientation reached its conclusion after its review of 87 studies conducted between 1960 and 2007 and finding "serious methodological problems" in the vast majority of them.

Those few studies that did have "high-quality" evidence "show that enduring change to an individual's sexual orientation is uncommon," it said.

In addition, the report cited evidence that efforts to switch a person's sexual orientation through aversive treatments might cause harm, including loss of sexual feeling, suicidality, depression and anxiety.

Many who tried to change and failed "described their experiences as a significant cause of emotional and spiritual distress and negative self-image," it said.

The six-member task force was appointed two years ago to address concerns about "efforts to promote the notion that sexual orientation can be changed through psychotherapy or approaches that mischaracterize homosexuality as a mental disorder."

The American Psychological Association removed homosexuality from its Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders in 1975.

The task force noted that some people attempt to change their sexual orientation because it conflicts with their religious beliefs, and recommended that their mental health care providers help them "explore possible life paths that address the reality of their sexual orientation, reduce the stigma associated with homosexuality, respect the client's religious beliefs, and consider possibilities for a religiously and spiritually meaningful and rewarding life."

"In other words," said Glassgold, "we recommend that psychologists be completely honest about the likelihood of sexual orientation change, and that they help clients explore their assumptions and goals with respect to both religion and sexuality."

Alan Chambers, president of Exodus International, a network of more than 250 ministries that he said "reach out to men and women and families that are affected by what we call 'unwanted same-sex attraction' " disagrees.

He offered himself as proof that such efforts can work. "The fact is that there are tens of thousands of men and women just like me who once identified as gay," Chambers said in a telephone interview. "For me and for these people, the truth is change is possible."

Chambers said his transformation from gay man began more than 18 years ago, when he attended a support group at the organization he now leads. Chambers, who said he married a woman nearly 12 years ago, has written a book, "Leaving Homosexuality," which was published last month.

"You can't refute a personal story," he said, adding that about a third of those who try to switch their sexual orientation through the group's ministries wind up doing so.

"We're not talking a light switch that you turn on and off, we're talking about very deep and complex issues that, I think, take years to resolve."

Though all mainstream health and mental health organizations concluded years ago that homosexuality is not a mental disorder, the American Psychological Association formed the task force to work on the report two years ago after noting a resurgence of groups that identified homosexuality as a defect or spiritual or moral failing.


If God can't even be relied upon to fix ******, is there anything He can do nowadays?

(If there isn't, I pray He gives me no sign.)
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#2 Aug 06 2009 at 12:09 AM Rating: Decent
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Have they tried beating it out of them and scientifically observing the results? It seemed to work for generations before this one...

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#3 Aug 06 2009 at 12:13 AM Rating: Excellent
It worked when God would rain down fire & brimstone.

But this "new testament" God is kind of a Pussy.

What's next? Are they going to tell us that faith based healing also doesn't work?
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#4 Aug 06 2009 at 2:09 AM Rating: Decent
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I believe electro-therapy works.
#5 Aug 06 2009 at 2:11 AM Rating: Good
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I believe electro-therapy works.
Only if applied to the genitals.

Of the person who thinks you can cure gay.
#6 Aug 06 2009 at 2:13 AM Rating: Decent
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MDenham wrote:
Goggy wrote:
I believe electro-therapy works.
Only if applied to the genitals.


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#7 Aug 06 2009 at 2:15 AM Rating: Good
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All every woman really wants, be it mother, senator, nun, is some serious deep-********
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#8 Aug 06 2009 at 5:34 AM Rating: Default
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As a teenager I distinctly remember various other teens who displayed or embodied qualities considered less than manly who received a tune-up from self appointed social monitors. Those qualities quickly disappeared! So I call ******** on that study, Omega! Empirical evidence proves otherwise.

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#9 Aug 06 2009 at 5:38 AM Rating: Excellent
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By "tune up", I suppose you mean "Got oral from the closeted football team members who then threatened to beat them up if they told anyone".
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#10 Aug 06 2009 at 5:44 AM Rating: Good
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Could be. I was never privvy to those kind of details, Jo, but whatever a tune-up entailed, it cured the effeminent boys of those light-in-their-loafer ways.

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#11 Aug 06 2009 at 6:29 AM Rating: Excellent
Totem, YouTube a little video called "Soccer Practice" by The Gay Pimp and see if you still think "manly tune-ups" work.

(Man, that song gets stuck in your head.)

Edited, Aug 6th 2009 10:30am by catwho
#12 Aug 06 2009 at 6:32 AM Rating: Good
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I don't fully remember the details of the paper as it's been quite some time since I read it, but there was a study done on gay rams where they injected testosterone into a certain area of the brain and the result was they mated with female sheep for a period of time.

So, you know, if you're eager enough.
#13 Aug 06 2009 at 6:49 AM Rating: Decent
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I don't fully remember the details of the paper as it's been quite some time since I read it, but there was a study done on gay rams where they injected testosterone into a certain area of the brain and the result was they mated with female sheep for a period of time.

So, you know, if you're eager enough.


So there is a 'cure' to this problem? Smiley: dubious
#14 Aug 06 2009 at 6:54 AM Rating: Good
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So there is a 'cure' to this problem?


Assuming my memory serves me correct(I'm all hopped up on provigal at the moment so it probably does), this works with humans, and you define the homosexuality as a problem, sure...you bet.

Now, who's up for multiple daily deep brain testosterone injections!?
#15 Aug 06 2009 at 6:55 AM Rating: Decent
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Nah I'm hip with sh*t stabbers.

They're all gravy to me. Smiley: nod






Better put a smiley one, people don't know when you're joking...

Edited, Aug 6th 2009 10:57am by Goggy
#16 Aug 06 2009 at 7:00 AM Rating: Good
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Better put a smiley one, people don't know when you're joking...


Yeah...I don't think you flew over too many heads there.
#17 Aug 06 2009 at 7:02 AM Rating: Decent
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Better put a smiley one, people don't know when you're joking...


Yeah...I don't think you flew over too many heads there.


You never know with this place Smiley: sly
#18 Aug 06 2009 at 7:18 AM Rating: Good
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I don't know what to think regarding studies like this. I like the notion that sexuality is not immutable, but trying to act as if it's something that needs to be cured in the first place is using that fluidity for all kinds of wrong reasons.
#19 Aug 06 2009 at 7:30 AM Rating: Good
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It's like any kind of social therapy. Rarely works unless you're a hair away from where you want to be and it just nudges you over.

As for the testosterone thing, it would be silly to think that brain chemicals DIDN'T have a huge impact on your sexuality, and it's likely that a hormonal change could sway you one way or the other.

Chemicals have a huge impact on everything we do and think, and you could probably change your entire personality just by drastically altering those balances.

I guess the real question then is, can outside influences other than drugs affect our brain chemicals at any point? Or do our conscious thoughts simply have the power to overpower our unconscious thoughts?
#20 Aug 06 2009 at 7:35 AM Rating: Decent
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I guess the real question then is, can outside influences other than drugs affect our brain chemicals at any point? Or do our conscious thoughts simply have the power to overpower our unconscious thoughts?


No one has been able to adequately, categorically, answer this question.
#21 Aug 06 2009 at 7:37 AM Rating: Decent
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It's like any kind of social therapy. Rarely works unless you're a hair away from where you want to be and it just nudges you over.

As for the testosterone thing, it would be silly to think that brain chemicals DIDN'T have a huge impact on your sexuality, and it's likely that a hormonal change could sway you one way or the other.

Chemicals have a huge impact on everything we do and think, and you could probably change your entire personality just by drastically altering those balances.

I guess the real question then is, can outside influences other than drugs affect our brain chemicals at any point? Or do our conscious thoughts simply have the power to overpower our unconscious thoughts?


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out of my head when reading that Smiley: laugh
#22 Aug 06 2009 at 8:21 AM Rating: Good
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I guess the real question then is, can outside influences other than drugs affect our brain chemicals at any point? Or do our conscious thoughts simply have the power to overpower our unconscious thoughts?


Tons of interesting research, a lot of which is cheap to replicate and play with on your own, on this. Sound has massive potential. I've personally experimented with a few things and can attest they do have an effect.

When I was around 20 I took a year off from everything and spent my time tinkering with whatever caught my interest. At one point it was this type of thing. I've literally walked up to a group of my brothers friends, my own friends knew me well enough that they didn't want to be my lab rats, and asked, "who wants to see stuff?"

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As for the testosterone thing, it would be silly to think that brain chemicals DIDN'T have a huge impact on your sexuality, and it's likely that a hormonal change could sway you one way or the other.


You'd be surprised at the responses you get. I've had people get offended for suggesting some part of who they are is more or less chemistry.

Edited, Aug 6th 2009 12:24pm by Sarren

Edited, Aug 6th 2009 1:23pm by Sarren
#23 Aug 06 2009 at 9:59 AM Rating: Good
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Chemicals have a huge impact on everything we do and think, and you could probably change your entire personality just by drastically altering those balances.

I guess the real question then is, can outside influences other than drugs affect our brain chemicals at any point? Or do our conscious thoughts simply have the power to overpower our unconscious thoughts?


If you rewire the circuitry, you change the system. The trick is knowing how to do it correctly to achieve the intended results.
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#25 Aug 07 2009 at 12:22 AM Rating: Good
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Why does Jesus always get portrayed as a Malibu surfer?

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#26 Aug 07 2009 at 12:55 AM Rating: Good
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Totem wrote:
Why does Jesus always get portrayed as a Malibu surfer?

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Why is Jesus always portrayed as a blond-haired, blue-eyed Caucasian?

Meh, now that I think of it, I should have put brown-hair, brown-eyed.

Edited, Aug 7th 2009 3:58am by Paskil
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