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Disagree. He's spending a lot of capital on things he wanted to get done. If not climate change and health care, what else is he going to do with it? Save it up for passing "Michelle Obama Day"?

Yes, because it's phrased like that. The process has hurt his popularity. The phrase in vogue among the pundits right now is "sausage being made". People are sick of seeing it, hearing about it and sick of being told about it.

Not really. It'd be a bigger problem to fail to deal with those issues and essentially become a caretaker president.

2010 will be almost completely about two things: The unemployment rate and the Dow. If the economy is upswinging then the Democrats will be great. If it's falling or stagnant, you'll see a tough election year (although it's unlikely the Republicans will retake either chamber simply by the numbers). Passing meaningful health care reform will exaggerate a win or minimize a loss but it won't change the basic results.

Edited, Aug 4th 2009 1:53pm by Jophiel

A day celebrating smoking hot middle-aged black women with sharp fashion sense and post-graduate degrees? Fucking count me in.

I live in DC and am in the vicinity of the Capitol a few times a week. Hell, I saw Frank Pallone at a ******* Harris Teeter a while back. There are no shouting crowds. .

Oh, that is cute.

Delicious manufactured outrage.

I find the irony of thinkprogress.org attempting to generate outrage about this most adorable of all. You know. Given that they are a big money lobbyist paid-for site designed to place ideas and carefully targeted political language into the population while appearing to come from just average people...


Oh no! A guy working for a political activist group wrote a memo suggesting to other groups how to disrupt townhall meetings to raise awareness of their position? That's just horrible how he's using his right of free speech to oppose political policies. We've just got to put a stop to that kind of thing right now!


Lol...

When did I say it was horrible or had to be stopped? Working those strawmen pretty hard this afternoon, aren't we?

And the other reports? The busing? The lobbyist ties? Hey, I'm not saying it's wrong but you can agree that this is all orchestrated, can't you?

Of course, look at who I'm asking. You said the accurate headcount for the tea parties was the one compiled by Freepers

That I thought it was funny.

So is reading comprehension. I was asking for quotes from him saying that he was against single-payer systems versus him saying that single-payer wasn't right for America (i.e. wasn't going to happen).

All? No. And if we're being honest here, can you agree that the Left does this sort of orchestration far far more than the Right does?



As opposed to counts made by people who weren't there? Look. I know you (and others) love to assume that I wander various sites trolling for information which I then use to parrot my/their opinions on this forum, but the honest truth is that I don't visit other sites. I don't read blogs. And this is the only place I actively engage in political discussion of any sort. When I went looking for information, I did a google search and stopped at the first site which had posted numbers for the event. I had no clue who's site it was and what degree of involvement they had in the events themselves.


You discount it because it's an "enemy site" I suppose. I just went looking for numbers and wound up there. Who's expressing bias?


Also, which is it Joph? Is the Right engaged in massive orchestration of events by busing people in and spending big money, or is it unable to gather more than a small number of people for any kind of protest or political event? You kinda can't have it both ways, but you keep on trying...