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#52 Jul 21 2009 at 1:05 PM Rating: Good
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If you have to work more than one job to cover everything you want, you're poor.

If you have to work more than one job to cover everything you need, you're broke.

About the best it can be summed up actually.

Nah, "everything you want" has no upper limit for many people. Too broad.

I agree that broke = insolvency, or on the edge of it (i.e. savings approaching zero). Not being able to pay all your bills, or having to liquidate normally non-liquid assets, like a car, or taking out a second mortgage. You can be "middle class" and be broke if you are putting kids through school and have big medical bills and such.

Whereas poor is a chronic syndrome, you could possibly define it as not making enough after expenses to invest anything or to accrue savings at all beyond a plateau level.



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#54 Jul 21 2009 at 1:07 PM Rating: Decent
trickybeck wrote:
Kastigir wrote:
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If you have to work more than one job to cover everything you want, you're poor.

If you have to work more than one job to cover everything you need, you're broke.

About the best it can be summed up actually.

Nah, "everything you want" has no upper limit for many people. Too broad.
Serves them right, actually. If you're operating on that "he with the most toys wins" principle, you deserve to think you're poor when you're working 120+ hours a week.
#55 Jul 22 2009 at 12:08 PM Rating: Decent
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When I moved back to San Diego and for 2 months was jobless living with a friend and eatin rice&broccolli for 3 weeks straight.


Sucked.
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#56 Jul 22 2009 at 12:23 PM Rating: Good
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Update me, MYTeddy. You at State or what?
#57 Jul 22 2009 at 1:16 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm in good ole North Texas, living with my girlfriend of almost 16months.

Halfway trying to not have 9$ in the bank account. Fun times.


College is out of the equation until I can pay off some dumb credit card expenses as well as making sure I can pay rent+bills, then the whole work and school thing becomes an option again, since I will be paying for 100% of it out of hand, instead of doing the whole loan route. 1 year on loans was a huge mistake I dont want to compound on.
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#58 Jul 23 2009 at 12:39 AM Rating: Good
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Don't you feel stupid.


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#59 Jul 23 2009 at 5:41 PM Rating: Decent
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Dammit Paul! You've gone and said something I 100% agree with...

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I believe the secret to financial happiness is to spend less than you earn. Sounds obvious, but how many people do you know who have no money owing to someone else at all? Its a good feeling.


I'd go further and suggest that this is the difference between wealth and poverty in general. It also should be obvious, but everyone who is "wealthy" (has more money than they owe) achieved this by spending less than they earn. And while it's certainly easier to do this if you earn more money, it's surprising how many people earn 6 figure salaries, but aren't really "wealthy" in this sense.

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Credit sucks. It allows you to think you are doing well. For a while. And then it drains you of any spare cash you might have had, and lets you know how close to fucked you really are. And it does it repeatedly, month in, month out.


And now you're two for two...

Credit is the fastest way to lose your money IMO. If you can't actually afford something today, why assume you'll magically be able to tomorrow if you just borrow the money for it? What's so incredibly obnoxious about this is that the credit hole is a one-time thing. You get yourself into it, and you're constantly behind the eight ball.

The key to understanding finances is to understand that no matter what other machinations you use, at the end of the day, you have a set flow of money coming in, and can't spend more than that over time. You can either plan ahead and save up money you've earned to spend on things you need, or buy them ahead of time and end up still paying for them over time, but also incurring interest payments on top of it.

A classic example is car buying. Imagine two people who make the exact same amount of money over their lifetimes. Person one goes out as soon as he gets his first job and gets a car by taking out a loan. Person two obtains a cheap beater instead and sets aside the difference in cash he's not paying for a car loan into an account. 5 years later, they each go to obtain a new car. The first guy trades in his old car (for almost nothing), takes out a new loan and continues paying for the cost of the car plus interest. The second guy has his cash already there. He's paid the same money, but he's gaining interest instead. Thus, he can afford a better car, or buy the exact same car and still have money left over (and earning yet more interest). He "pays" for this one time in his life by suffering with a cheap car for 5 years. However, for the entire rest of his life, he will pay less over time for every car he owns. Instead of paying interest on a loan, he's earning interest.


Same deal with credit cards. You could either save up X amount of cash each month to pay for that TV or whatever and then buy it when you've saved enough, or you can get the TV now, but pay *more* each month for the same thing. And once you get into that habit, everything starts to cost more. Because you're paying more each month for the TV, you don't have enough for food, or car maintenance, or to fix the washing machine. So you put those expenses on the credit card. Pretty soon, you're spending most of your month pay simply paying off last months credit charges, and buying everything for this month by charging again. Once you're in that situation, you'd likely give anything to have one month back in order to not always be paying after the fact. But you can't...


It's a pretty ugly trap, and a ridiculous number of people fall into it.
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#60 Jul 24 2009 at 2:12 AM Rating: Decent
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Varrus corrected someone in this thread... Smiley: laugh

You'll be dividing by zero next Smiley: dubious
#61 Jul 24 2009 at 2:53 AM Rating: Excellent
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Excellent thread Smiley: smile

I've been both poor and well off. When I left University I was very poor, paying off loans. At the end of each month I had barely 80 pounds left to pay for food and any entertainment. I scraped by and I admit to taking a little help from my family.

I'm well off now but I cannot afford all I wish to do. I make do without some things, so I can have others. My nights out are cheap and my holiday is funded by a little sacrifices made through the year. Cheap lunches at work and keeping other expenses low soon add up. It pays for a 4 star hotel and business class travel. Pennies adding up to pounds is certainly true.

Some people look at me with envy, but then I point out that I do not spend 30 pounds down the pub each week. That I save money in all the places they do not and that my hobbies are cheap. I buy tailored clothes (I am a clothes snob - Primark is CHEAP and nasty Smiley: mad) but I buy clothes from end of line when they are half to a third of their normal price.

Some people make their money go further. Some people are better at managing money. And I think its fairly true to say that if you have been without money, you are often better with it once you have some.

As for people who think they are making sacrifices when they have a Bentley or are having to get rid of the hired help .... I think I'll keep quiet as I have little nice to say about that kind of thing Smiley: dubious
#62 Jul 24 2009 at 4:00 AM Rating: Good
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I have lived on very little when I was finishing Uni. I was actually broke in the sense that I had to borrow money from my parents to pay the rent etc. But I wasn't poor as in third world country poor; I still ate 3 times a day, although it was cheap food like pasta with no sauce. My parents are well off, they wouldn't have let me go without electricity or the like, even though I paid it all back after Uni.

This has all changed and I now live comfortably off a reasonably well-paid office job. By Swiss standards and considering I have a top Uni education.

Personally, I save on the small things and spend big in the big things. Seems to work best for me. I go on expensive holidays, buy top-of-the-line PCs and stuff like that. But I don't eat at restaurants much, don't drink, don't have a car (I ride a bike) and don't waste money on stuff I don't need, although that's a matter of perspective.

So every day I save a little, then I go and splash out on a big holiday. As long as my balance goes up over the long term, I'm fine. And it's good to have a bit on the side in case something bad happens.
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