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#1 Jul 21 2009 at 6:20 AM Rating: Good
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A group calling itself Patients United Now has been heavily running aniti-healthcare reform ads on our airwaves. The group is actually a front name for the Americans For Prosperity Foundation, a cartel of Right Wing PR mavens best known for hatching a psychotic and ongoing National Global Warming denial campaign (they consider Al Gore the White Devil) and more recently, dropping viral misinformation bombs on the President’s Stimulus package.
Now, the Foundation has focused its attention on defeating Healthcare reform. They are being aided by a seemingly bottomless pit of cash along with a hired pile of human refuse - prefabricated "private citizens" whose paid function is to mask reality with the stench of their unmitigated and poorly rehearsed lies.
The current star of the Insurance Industry cabal is Shona Holmes, a whisky-voiced Toronto woman of ample aggregate and dubious honesty. See TV Spot Here.
According to Ms Holmes, she was diagnosed with a “brain tumor” sometime in 2005. In scores of interviews, she consistently claimed she could not receive timely treatment in Toronto and was forced to seek medical care at the Mayo Clinic in Arizona. Shona is a wannabe-be poster child for the Worldwide failings of government run Healthcare. She spins a shocking yarn, one that would make Socialists everywhere bow their Public Option heads in shame –
if only her story was true.

Over the 4 years since Ms Holmes’ cyst was removed from the ample cavity between her ears, her condition has worsened. Not her actual physical condition, but rather, the ubiquitously reheard and revised description of her medical odyssey.

Back in the Summer of 2007, the propaganda machine at the Mayo Mayo Clinic decided to print Ms Holme’s human interest story in an internal Clinic publication. Her healthcare horrors served nicely as a double-sided win for Mayo. On one side was the sweet story about the Clinic’s responsiveness to Ms Holme’s plight as well as the Clinic's ample expertise in repairing her medical problem. Secondly, it served as a bonus dig against the growing call for Public Healthcare in the U.S. by painting the Canadian system in a negative light. After all, the mere words "Public Healthcare" are the bane of the usery Private Insurance companies and Hospitals administrators alike. But more interesting was the Mayo Clinic’s choice to reprint the story this Summer, and this time, afford it a prominent berth on their Web site – just in time for the Healthcare reform battle. Yet, the most fascinating information was to be found in the Mayo Clinic’s own description of Ms Holme’s medical condition.
The Clinic wrote:

"Dr. Naresh Patel, neurosurgeon, diagnosed Holmes as having a Rathke's cleft cyst (RCC). The rare, fluid-filled sac grows near the pituitary gland at the base of the brain and eventually can cause hormone and vision problems. Dr. Patel joined forces with Drs. David W. Dodick, neurologist, and Michael D. Whitaker, endocrinologist, to work on Holmes' case."

Rathke’s Cleft Cyst can indeed cause more serious symptoms if left untreated, but it is generally very treatable through minimally invasive surgery and NOT a “brain tumor” as both Ms Holmes and Right wing hack writers contend. It's a fluid build-up and has nothing to do with cell division as occurs in Tumors.
Additionally, the direness in the retelling of Ms Holmes’ story grew progressively more horrifying after the Presidential election and as the Healthcare battle began to percolate.
Horror stories of waiting non-specific "months" for treatment in Canada soon gave way to claims of four to six month delays (an experience 180 degrees contrary to that of the scores of Canadians I've personally seen or heard quoted on the subject).

Here is a modest sampling of the plethora of Right Wing reportage on our Ms Holmes:
Sep 7, 2007:
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"In spite of these symptoms - and an MRI scan revealing the tumour causing them - Ontario's health system told Shona that she would have to wait four months to see a neurologist and six months to see an endocrinologist."

July 15, 2008:
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"Shona found out that the free health care she was promised came with life threatening strings. She was told that she could not see a specialist for at least six months...six months which, according to the Mayo Doctors, she didn't have the luxury of waiting for."

The tumor claim was no misquote, for on every occasion, Holmes didn’t hesitate to confirm this bogus diagnosis. Obviously, a tumor sounds bad –whereas a cyst, albeit a surgically complex one to excise, sounds like no more than a glorified pimple.
Here’s just one of many examples from Shona’s personal press tour that began anew just as the general election campaign was about to heat up.
July 19, 2008:
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“No one should be forced to travel thousands of miles to obtain accessible good care. Yet that is exactly what I was forced to do after being diagnosed with a brain tumor three years ago.”

By May of this year, Shona’s tall story was to take another turn for the worse - this time, courtesy of Fox News, and just in time for the shank of the Healthcare debate now raging on the Hill.
Shona had become the star of her own :30 second TV spot, engendered through the combined effort of Wingnut fantasy and Insurance Industry money. Now, Shona was to get her 15 minutes of fame on Fox News, dutifully and dramatically retelling her story for the umpteenth time – but this time with a twist that only Fox News could conjure. As Shona is introduced to Fox viewers, the Chyron reads:
It seems nothing short of “brain cancer” would be sufficient for "Faux News"..
Certainly, no one would confuse a "brain cancer" diagnosis with a pimple!

Poor Shona Holmes – at this rate of deterioration, she’ll be dead by…well…2005.


As a Canadian I'm pretty disgusted by the vicious fabrications told in this ad campaign. My mother had Breast Cancer and they took immediate action. My Grandfather had Alzheimers as well as Emphysema and they gave him first rate care until his death at age 72 after fighting it for 20 years or so.

There are long waits in Canada for the "low priority" surgeries, sure, and the system isn't perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but I'd rather be guaranteed health care than get dropped from my company's private health insurance because my wife contracted leukemia like in this story

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#3 Jul 21 2009 at 6:25 AM Rating: Decent
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Ah seen it at the top, DailyKos... Smiley: lol

Edited, Jul 21st 2009 10:26am by Goggy
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We have a few Canadian posters here and a few from various overseas locals. Do any of you guys wish you had the US health care system instead of your own?
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#5 Jul 21 2009 at 8:14 AM Rating: Excellent
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We have a few Canadian posters here and a few from various overseas locals. Do any of you guys wish you had the US health care system instead of your own?
Not even a little bit.

Sure there are problems with any system. However the "horror" stories from Canada usually refer to long wait times, usually for non critical issues. If you have an urgent need for health care you will get it. The horror stories I hear from the states are about families not having any health care at all, or families that go completely bankrupt due to a health care crisis. Which sounds worse to you?

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#6 Jul 21 2009 at 8:58 AM Rating: Good
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Yeah, in Canada, unimportant surgeries that are covered by medicare often have long wait times; time-critical and life-threatening situations are fast tracked, with waiting times rarely more than a few days.

There are a few things in the Canadian system that are abhorrent though. For example, here in my home province, the prescription yearly cost "limit" is $50,000. For someone with incurable Brain Cancer, the life-lengthening drugs that can change months into years run into the $100,000+ range per year, there is no recourse for this, and that needs to change. Link
That's a provincial choice in a province whose health care mandates are quite a ways behind some of the other provinces though, I understand it's better elsewhere.

Even with sad stories like this happening every so often though, there's worse things. For example, my grandmother is 94, and she's more active and vibrant than people I've met less than a third of her age. She and my grandfather have 3 residences, one here in New Brunswick, a Summer home in nova scotia, and a winter home in Florida. While wintering in the warmer climate, she began to experience circulatory problems which were causing her, among other things, considerable joint pain and weakness.

Naturally, this meant she had to go to a hospital; due to the circulatory issues and potential for respiratory issues, as well as the joint pain, this precluded travel back to Canada. She was there for a week while they ran tests and such, keeping her there under observation in case something bad happens.
She was left with a 15,000$ bill because well, she's 94, and a Canadian citizen, she had no united states health care, as it costs a ridiculous amount of money and she had no recourse for it through a job.
It also didn't qualify as emergency status, since she wasn't actually "dieing" and there was a chance this could pass on it's own. It all worked out in the end, as her church was there to help them, but it was a real eye-opener for us in terms of things that could go wrong.

This winter past, just as they were packing up to go home, she slipped on her front stoop leading out of her florida home, and fell, hard. She's a tough old bird, and didn't think anything of it; they hopped in the car and drove back to Canada. She was pretty sore when they got back but she managed to get into the house, the next day, she couldn't get out of bed. She went to the hospital here, and got another battery of tests.
She had an aneurysm in the blood vessels in her hip, and to top that off, her hip was broken. She was in the hospital for another 3 weeks. The cost of the surgeries she underwent in US terms, coupled with the stay: ~55,000$.

Those differences are astronomical, and I can't even fathom what it must be like for people entirely without health care recourse down in the states.
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a psychotic and ongoing National Global Warming denial campaign (they consider Al Gore the White Devil) and more recently, dropping viral misinformation bombs on the President’s Stimulus package.


Both are propoganda spins. One's overdramatizing a problem that Canada is trying to fix (but IMO the best way would a mixed public/private one to cover the general populace the other for people who have money and don't want to be stuck on a waiting list forever) the other trying to label them as psychotic for being right on two things that the left wing enjoy.

I can't speek for them and I'm not entirely sure what the "misinformation" is, but the first part justifies the second IMO. Global warming was just an economical ploy that if they had stopped it would have meant "Oops I'm an idiot and wasted billions and many jobs on something that didn't happen". All it ever was. Al Gore isn't exactly the brightest tool in the shed either. I wouldn't go as far as white devil, just a money/fame grabber. Same as any other politician. If you can be that wrong about something and overeggaterate it to that point, I doubt the misinformation was anywhere as wrong as they claim.

It's like the majority of news (About 80%, most major newspapers and TV), left wing. Fox News is the most middle new station. They're trying to show why USA shouldn't adopt nationalized health care.

First time media has stretched the truth/lied however you would like to put it to try and get people on their side right?

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#9 Jul 21 2009 at 4:45 PM Rating: Excellent
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I agree that pure comprehensive government health care should not be the standard, even in Canada we have optional supplemental health insurance that many of our employers offer. It's not widespread enough to really help here though.

The biggest problem socialized health care faces is attracting doctors and nurses to the local job fields. Canadian Health Care has an incredible nurse/doctor attrition rate to other countries with privatized health care because that's where the big money is. Why make 70,000$ a year as a nurse in Canada when they can go to a hospital in the states and make 120,000$ a year(spitballed the actual values, but the difference ratio is about accurate)?

The one thing I think we should all take away from this is that every country should offer basic medical care to all their citizens. This includes yearly doctor's office visits(checkups, physicals, etc), important vaccinations like flu shots, hep A and hep B, comprehensive care for life threatening illnesses, and first rate emergency health care, and basic prescription mitigation.

I remember reading something about a doctor in New York who got shut down because he was offering full-access in-office treatment(checkups, physicals, 24 hour cell phone access, etc) to his patients for 40$/month, and the medical board decided he was offering what roughly equated to insurance.

What the doctor did was a huge step in the right direction, but it was stifled for fear of upsetting the big money special interest groups.
#10 Jul 21 2009 at 6:06 PM Rating: Good
There's a reason I don't link to Dkos articles here - 1. they're a blog, and usually there's a better original source with less snark someplace and 2. even they get a little too spin-crazy for me sometimes.

I haven't posted a diary there in months. I usually just read the top recc'd ones because there will be news stories that otherwise slip below the radar on more mainstream websites.
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It's like the majority of news (About 80%, most major newspapers and TV), left wing. Fox News is the most middle new station. They're trying to show why USA shouldn't adopt nationalized health care.

I shudder to think of what the Right-wing news stations must be. Empire-1 with the Darth Vader Hour or something.
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manicshock wrote:
It's like the majority of news (About 80%, most major newspapers and TV), left wing. Fox News is the most middle new station. They're trying to show why USA shouldn't adopt nationalized health care.

I shudder to think of what the Right-wing news stations must be. Empire-1 with the Darth Vader Hour or something.

Empire-2 actually.

Practically no one will speak against Obama, Fox is the closest to middle there is.
#13 Jul 22 2009 at 2:09 AM Rating: Excellent
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We have a few Canadian posters here and a few from various overseas locals. Do any of you guys wish you had the US health care system instead of your own?


Haha.
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#14 Jul 22 2009 at 3:51 AM Rating: Excellent
This is related, so I'll put it here instead of a new thread.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jlMpJGn28kqCcgU-aGcYE_ZHW-ywD99JFDJG0

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Last week, DeMint was quoted as telling fellow conservatives: "If we're able to stop Obama on this, it will be his Waterloo. It will break him."


Someone needs to tell this guy that government is for the people, by the people. It's not about DeMint (or "Republicans") vs Obama. People like this piece of **** make it hard for me to get excited about American Politics in general. Clearly hurting Obama's performance rating is more important than actually accomplishing something good for the bulk of the American public, amirite?
#15 Jul 22 2009 at 4:06 AM Rating: Decent
So, which Republican is going to feed themmself to snipers?

Oh, right, Palin.

Edited, Jul 22nd 2009 12:06pm by Kavekk
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I think DeMint just inadvertently made himself out to be the king of the Nazgul and Obama to be Gandalf(I will break him!); as well as comparing himself to Duke Wellington(that name makes me hungry) and Obama to Napoleon(one of the greatest leaders in history).

Amusing, to say the least.
#17 Jul 22 2009 at 5:37 AM Rating: Excellent
The American medical system is great for the 85% of Americans who get to participate in it. For the other 15%, it really sucks balls.
#18 Jul 22 2009 at 6:19 AM Rating: Good
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The American medical system is great for the 85% of Americans who get to participate in it.


The doctors may be great, but the costs are ridiculous (for various unjustifiable reasons) and the insurance system is practically highway robbery.


Example: I have Blue Cross insurance. I recently (2 months ago) had to call 911 for my sister (severe allergic reaction, we came to find out). The ambulance came, drove us to a hospital 15 minutes away and administered some Benadryl via IV. The hospital checked us in to the ER, monitored her heart rate for 30 minutes, then discharged us. Total cost? $2000. Total amount I owe after insurance? $600. And my $500 deductible has already been paid for this year.

#19ThiefX, Posted: Jul 22 2009 at 6:24 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Just a quick question for all you Canadians.
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Because you have better cosmetic and optional surgeries, which aren't covered in Canada and thus we'd have no reason not to go there.

The people who go there for required surgeries either
A: Have more money than common sense
B: Are getting a surgery that they feel is taking too long but isn't really necessary in the short term.
#21 Jul 22 2009 at 6:42 AM Rating: Excellent
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Just a quick question for all you Canadians.

If your healthcare system is far superior to the one in the US then why do so many Canadians cross the border each year to use our healthcare system?
Arguing about the timeliness and quality of healthcare means jack to people who have no reasonable access to healthcare at all.
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ThiefX wrote:
Just a quick question for all you Canadians.

If your healthcare system is far superior to the one in the US then why do so many Canadians cross the border each year to use our healthcare system?


A question for Americans then; if the US system is so good, why do so many participate in medical tourism each year?

Seems to me that American insurance leaves a lot to be desired, and prices elsewhere are better with similar service, even including travel.
#23 Jul 22 2009 at 6:50 AM Rating: Decent
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ThiefX wrote:
Just a quick question for all you Canadians.

If your healthcare system is far superior to the one in the US then why do so many Canadians cross the border each year to use our healthcare system?


A question for Americans then; if the US system is so good, why do so many participate in medical tourism each year?

Seems to me that American insurance leaves a lot to be desired, and prices elsewhere are better with similar service, even including travel.


No system is perfect, but a lot of the stories you hear about where people travel abroad for medical treatment are because such treatments aren't approved for use in the U.S., even if the person pays out of their own pocket. Government regulation and all that.
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LockeColeMA wrote:
ThiefX wrote:
Just a quick question for all you Canadians.

If your healthcare system is far superior to the one in the US then why do so many Canadians cross the border each year to use our healthcare system?


A question for Americans then; if the US system is so good, why do so many participate in medical tourism each year?

Seems to me that American insurance leaves a lot to be desired, and prices elsewhere are better with similar service, even including travel.


No system is perfect, but a lot of the stories you hear about where people travel abroad for medical treatment are because such treatments aren't approved for use in the U.S., even if the person pays out of their own pocket. Government regulation and all that.


Hmmm, most I have heard is from people whose insurance will not cover procedures like joint replacements, and the surgery is available in the US but costs around 1/5th of the amount in another country. I have no problem with the idea of medical tourism, but it surely only applies to those with a bit of cash; if you can't afford any insurance, knowing you can get a new hip for $5000 in Italy compared to $30,000 in America still doesn't make it a viable option.
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I don't know if what I had technically qualifies as joint replacement, but following a car accident in 2005 I had my kneecap replaced with a prosthetic, it didn't cost me a cent and it's nearly as good as it was before.
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Mindel wrote:
The American medical system is great for the 85% of Americans who get to participate in it.


The doctors may be great, but the costs are ridiculous (for various unjustifiable reasons) and the insurance system is practically highway robbery.


Example: I have Blue Cross insurance. I recently (2 months ago) had to call 911 for my sister (severe allergic reaction, we came to find out). The ambulance came, drove us to a hospital 15 minutes away and administered some Benadryl via IV. The hospital checked us in to the ER, monitored her heart rate for 30 minutes, then discharged us. Total cost? $2000. Total amount I owe after insurance? $600. And my $500 deductible has already been paid for this year.



It's a mix of greed and having to cover themselves against people who show up without money or insurance, get their treatment and walk away without paying a dime. Hurts the business, hurts you. Greed does make things worse though.
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