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#77 Jul 21 2009 at 12:11 PM Rating: Good
Nobby wrote:
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Lame OP + Varrus = Lame thread


FTFY
It grieves me to say it, but when Varus is the high-point of a thread, the word 'lame' falls way too short.


Sad but true. In the Netherlands we have a saying, "the best sailors are on the shore". I think it really applies to Varrus. He's really one of those people who're always the loudest with their ********* but don't do anything.
#78REDACTED, Posted: Jul 21 2009 at 12:12 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Nobby,
#79 Jul 21 2009 at 12:18 PM Rating: Good
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Nobby,

Now we all know I'm the highpoint of any thread I participate in.



Just keep telling yourself that Smiley: lol
#80 Jul 21 2009 at 12:42 PM Rating: Decent
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Do you know where that 15% profit goes? There's a reason the US has the best doctors in the world. And it doesn't involve a desire to work for free.


Oh my god. I agree with Varus. Not that Aripya is stupid but he is right about this one.


I'm gona go kill myself now. It was nice knowing you all.

#81 Jul 21 2009 at 12:56 PM Rating: Decent
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H*ll just put a million dollar cap on all lawsuits and make it impossible for class action lawsuits and watch the rates go down.
Also watch product quality go down because, when your laptop's battery decides to catch your $3M house on fire, you can't even recover a third of the house's value, let alone the value of the stuff in it, because of that $1M cap - and then people have to be actively trying to find out that yes, these laptop batteries catch on fire.

Now, if you're talking about limiting those caps to medical lawsuits, we might have a deal, but as worded, you're an idiot.
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#83 Jul 21 2009 at 1:02 PM Rating: Good
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MDenham wrote:
publiusvarus wrote:
H*ll just put a million dollar cap on all lawsuits and make it impossible for class action lawsuits and watch the rates go down.
Also watch product quality go down because, when your laptop's battery decides to catch your $3M house on fire, you can't even recover a third of the house's value, let alone the value of the stuff in it, because of that $1M cap - and then people have to be actively trying to find out that yes, these laptop batteries catch on fire.

Now, if you're talking about limiting those caps to medical lawsuits, we might have a deal, but as worded, you're an idiot.
This is covered by house insurance is it not? The state of civil lawsuits in the states is absurd.
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#84 Jul 21 2009 at 1:03 PM Rating: Decent
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Now, if you're talking about limiting those caps to medical lawsuits, we might have a deal, but as worded, you're an idiot.


What did you think I was talking about? We are talking about healthcare right? Ok I should have said "medical malpractice lawsuits". There I go assuming everyones on the same page.

#85 Jul 21 2009 at 1:04 PM Rating: Decent
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MDenham wrote:
publiusvarus wrote:
H*ll just put a million dollar cap on all lawsuits and make it impossible for class action lawsuits and watch the rates go down.
Also watch product quality go down because, when your laptop's battery decides to catch your $3M house on fire, you can't even recover a third of the house's value, let alone the value of the stuff in it, because of that $1M cap - and then people have to be actively trying to find out that yes, these laptop batteries catch on fire.

Now, if you're talking about limiting those caps to medical lawsuits, we might have a deal, but as worded, you're an idiot.
This is covered by house insurance is it not? The state of civil lawsuits in the states is absurd.
It depends on the insurance, actually. If it's not covered by the insurance - or if the insurance has, as is typical, caps on the amount it'll cover - then your only recourse at that point is a lawsuit to attempt to recover the remaining portion of the replacement costs, especially if it's due to a faulty product.
#86 Jul 21 2009 at 1:05 PM Rating: Decent
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Den,

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Now, if you're talking about limiting those caps to medical lawsuits, we might have a deal, but as worded, you're an idiot.


What did you think I was talking about? We are talking about healthcare right? Ok I should have said "medical malpractice lawsuits". There I go assuming everyones on the same page.
You've brought up taxes already in the thread, so a broad interpretation of "cap lawsuits and stop class-action suits" appeared to be warranted.
#87 Jul 21 2009 at 1:05 PM Rating: Good
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why the fuck would you get house insurance that didn't cover the cost of your house? How does that even make sense?
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#88REDACTED, Posted: Jul 21 2009 at 1:12 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Denham,
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On what basis does virus claim USA has the best doctors in the world?

I'm not disputing it - just pointing out what a stupid comment it was.

If you (misguidedly) based it on litigation for medical errors or malpractice, the stats say they're about the worse.

If you do come up with a metric for 'best doctors', let me know.
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#90REDACTED, Posted: Jul 21 2009 at 1:14 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Xarus,
#91 Jul 21 2009 at 1:14 PM Rating: Good
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I'm curious how many of you actually read your homeowners insurance policy to see what it specifically covers.
working in insurance, how many people have house insurance that wouldn't actually cover the full cost of their house if it burnt down?

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What if you bought the house for 100k and here we are 10yrs later and the cost to replace the house has gone up to 150k; but the insurance policy says it's only covered for 100k? Fortunately for my customers I make sure they have extended replacement costs on the homes I insure so if the house burns they're covered for up to 20% more than the amount listed on the policy.
I'd assume people are making sure their policies reflect the current state of their house. Looking at society in general, I guess that's probably a really bad assumption to make.

Edited, Jul 21st 2009 4:19pm by Xsarus
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#92 Jul 21 2009 at 1:15 PM Rating: Decent
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why the fuck would you get house insurance that didn't cover the cost of your house? How does that even make sense?
Changes in appraised value since you bought the policy would be the first reason that comes to mind as to why your insurance doesn't cover the entire value of your house.

For example: Say you buy a house for $500k, and get an insurance policy on it. The policy has a little clause in it that you miss (or figure is irrelevant based on the area's last 10-20 years of home value trends) capping the increase in covered value at 3% annually.

A real-estate "bubble" begins (or it turns out the area has just been chronically undervalued), with 10% annual increases in home prices. Five years later, your house is valued at roughly $805k - but the covered value at this point is just under $580k. At this point, if your house burned down, you'd have to eat nearly a quarter-million in losses just to rebuild the house as it was.

This doesn't begin to take into account the possibility of accumulating enough stuff that you hit the cap on what's covered for item replacement, either.

Moral of the story: read the damn policy closely before buying it.

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publiusvarus wrote:
Denham,

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then your only recourse at that point is a lawsuit to attempt to recover the remaining portion of the replacement costs, especially if it's due to a faulty product.


Or, like most people, you just eat the cost rather than try and find a attorney who's willing to take on the insurance company.
Actually, I was figuring you'd be suing the company responsible for the defective battery in the example I gave, because it's their product that caused the damage in the first place.

Edited, Jul 21st 2009 2:16pm by MDenham
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#94 Jul 21 2009 at 1:17 PM Rating: Good
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Nobby,

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On what basis does virus claim USA has the best doctors in the world?


Because they make the most money. That simple. The best of the best want to be paid the most.
So does everyone who's not the best, though!
#95 Jul 21 2009 at 1:18 PM Rating: Good
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Nobby,

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On what basis does virus claim USA has the best doctors in the world?


Because they make the most money. That simple. The best of the best want to be paid the most.



The fact that they want it doesn't mean they get it. Skill is hard to measure, and it sure as hell ain't measurable by income.
#96 Jul 21 2009 at 1:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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publiusvarus wrote:
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On what basis does virus claim USA has the best doctors in the world?


Because they make the most money. That simple. The best of the best want to be paid the most.

Those car company executives must be unbelievable then. oh wait.
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#97 Jul 21 2009 at 1:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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#98 Jul 21 2009 at 2:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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Here is an article about Obama's low approval concerning Healthcare. Thoughts?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/19/AR2009071902176.html?hpid=topnews


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#99 Jul 21 2009 at 3:21 PM Rating: Excellent
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Nobby wrote:
On what basis does virus claim USA has the best doctors in the world?

It's based on the "I happened to be born here, therefore everything here must be the best, otherwise my self-worth will be devalued" line of logic.

Also applies to cities, states, countries, sports teams, race, gender, religion, brands of possessions owned, etc.




Edited, Jul 21st 2009 6:22pm by trickybeck
#100 Jul 21 2009 at 3:36 PM Rating: Good
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publiusvarus wrote:
Nobby,

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On what basis does virus claim USA has the best doctors in the world?


Because they make the most money. That simple. The best of the best want to be paid the most.

Of all my friends who practise medicine, the highest paid work outside of our National Health Service undertaking procedures that are proven to be ineffective, but are promoted in fashion magazines.

Oddly enough, doctors' earnings in the UK rate highly on an international scale, but few US trained medics come here to cash in, because they don't like the idea of facing the professional scrutiny that we require.

I know many Brit doctors who've gone to USA to earn fat money, but they would mostly earn more here if they could meet the minimum standards of our Royal Colleges.
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#101 Jul 21 2009 at 4:02 PM Rating: Decent
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Nobby wrote:


Of all my friends who practise medicine, the highest paid work outside of our National Health Service undertaking procedures that are proven to be ineffective, but are promoted in fashion magazines.



When did you move to New Zealand? You should drop round to ours for a drink sometime. I've got some very good Sth Island reds in the cellar!
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