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He's the head of the African-American Studies Department
He must be imminently qualified considering he's black and living in the US.
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Anna,
He must be imminently qualified considering he's black and living in the US.
He must be imminently qualified considering he's black and living in the US.
publiusvarus wrote:
Can you believe this guy is a professor at Harvard? Is this "professor" the result of Harvards affirmative action program? Inquiring minds want to know.
publiusvarus wrote:
FTFY.
Mindel,
and yet the best he can come up with to spite "the man" is
He should be fired for not being able to come up with a better literary reference;
Imagine if this black professor had quoted Jefferson instead of;
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PhD in English Literature
and yet the best he can come up with to spite "the man" is
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This is what happens to black men in America!"
He should be fired for not being able to come up with a better literary reference;
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All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.
Imagine if this black professor had quoted Jefferson instead of;
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Come and see the violence inherent in the system. Help! Help! I'm being repressed!
It's often the case that we think of what we should of said after the incident.
Goggy wrote:
It's often the case that we think of what we should of said after the incident.
Edited, Jul 24th 2009 10:55am by Mindel
I wonder how many poor minorities experience similar events much worse on a regular basis that don't happen to be distinguished professors and whether anyone really cares about them?
At least the guy wasn't shot in the back as he was trying to flee...
At least the guy wasn't shot in the back as he was trying to flee...
I don't think that quote is from Thomas Jefferson, but a misquote from Edmund Burke. I suppose it's possible that Jefferson could have paraphrased Burke at some point but I can't find it.
"All that is necessary for evil to prevail is that good men do nothing."
"All that is necessary for evil to prevail is that good men do nothing."
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Goggy wrote:
Not sure about the neighbours, but the issue is still apparant, look at the police wording "I stepped into the residence, Sgt Crawley had already entered, and was speaking to a black male", surely he was speaking to a male?
That's pretty standard for a police office, though. My husband works at a news paper and hears the police dispatch all day long. "Black [fe]male," "white [fe]male," and "Hispanic [fe]male" are standard descriptions. There is no racism there, just standard procedure.
Word is the Police are considering releasing the tapes and that the cop is considering a defamation lawsuit against the "professor".
Good for them for fighting back. Of course this guy is Obama's buddy so the state may intervene or stand a chance at losing federal monies. Cause that's how Obama and his friends roll.
Good for them for fighting back. Of course this guy is Obama's buddy so the state may intervene or stand a chance at losing federal monies. Cause that's how Obama and his friends roll.
Obama's take on this.
I believe this cop truly doesn't want to be racist or perform his job with racial overtones. I think some stereotypes are just so ingrained in our historical social psyches that it comes naturally.
I guess legally it only comes down to whether the cop was justified in arresting Gates for disorderly conduct.
I believe this cop truly doesn't want to be racist or perform his job with racial overtones. I think some stereotypes are just so ingrained in our historical social psyches that it comes naturally.
I guess legally it only comes down to whether the cop was justified in arresting Gates for disorderly conduct.
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Goggy wrote:
Not sure about the neighbours, but the issue is still apparant, look at the police wording "I stepped into the residence, Sgt Crawley had already entered, and was speaking to a black male", surely he was speaking to a male?
That's pretty standard for a police office, though. My husband works at a news paper and hears the police dispatch all day long. "Black [fe]male," "white [fe]male," and "Hispanic [fe]male" are standard descriptions. There is no racism there, just standard procedure.
No, I think that is what the problem is. Surely they are just female or male, or Jim or Sue etc...
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
That's pretty standard for a police office, though. My husband works at a news paper and hears the police dispatch all day long. "Black [fe]male," "white [fe]male," and "Hispanic [fe]male" are standard descriptions. There is no racism there, just standard procedure.
Edited, Jul 24th 2009 6:27pm by Elinda
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
Goggy wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Goggy wrote:
Not sure about the neighbours, but the issue is still apparant, look at the police wording "I stepped into the residence, Sgt Crawley had already entered, and was speaking to a black male", surely he was speaking to a male?
That's pretty standard for a police office, though. My husband works at a news paper and hears the police dispatch all day long. "Black [fe]male," "white [fe]male," and "Hispanic [fe]male" are standard descriptions. There is no racism there, just standard procedure.
No, I think that is what the problem is. Surely they are just female or male, or Jim or Sue etc...
No, that's not a problem.
Think of it this way. If a cop is headed into a potentially hostile situation where he could be shot and killed, he's going to radio back to dispatch and let them know what he's doing. If he is shot and killed, the dispatch now has an accurate description of the guy. A white male with brown hair wearing a blue shirt and jeans, no shoes. Something like that. Not a perfect description, but it makes it easier to find him, because you've narrowed the searching pool.
There's nothing wrong with recognizing that someone is black, white, Hispanic or Asian. If, however, you pursue someone simply because of that, you run into issues. We shouldn't make people afraid to talk about race at all. That's when you run into problems.
Elinda,
Is it the height of absurdity to suggest we use all descriptors? The tall fat black man is breaking into a house.
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use descriptors like 'tall' or 'obese' or whatever as in many situations it's much for descriptive than simply black
Is it the height of absurdity to suggest we use all descriptors? The tall fat black man is breaking into a house.
Elinda wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
That's pretty standard for a police office, though. My husband works at a news paper and hears the police dispatch all day long. "Black [fe]male," "white [fe]male," and "Hispanic [fe]male" are standard descriptions. There is no racism there, just standard procedure.
If they are very tall or very obese, that might be mentioned as well.
How is it discriminatory just to mention their race? I might see your point if they only mentioned it if they were black. But that's not the case.
Belkira wrote:
Stuff about descriptions which I failed to quote properly
I get what you're saying, but there's a difference in radioing a suspects description to control for circulation than reporting that John Do just got 5 years for armed robbery. Whether John is black, white or puce is irrelevant.
Edited, Jul 24th 2009 1:06pm by Goggy
Goggy wrote:
Belkira wrote:
Stuff about descriptions which I failed to quote properly
I get what you're saying, but there's a difference in radioing a suspects description to control for circulation than reporting that John Do just got 5 years for armed robbery. Whether John is black, white or puce is irrelevant.
Edited, Jul 24th 2009 1:06pm by Goggy
The police statement in question said that Sgt. Crawley was speaking "to a black male." It would seem to me that the officer in question didn't know who this person was, so I don't see an issue here.
Shouldn't virus be on the opposite side of this? I thought, at least in his mind, that anyone that steps on his property without permission should be shot.
baelnic wrote:
Shouldn't virus be on the opposite side of this? I thought, at least in his mind, that anyone that steps on his property without permission should be shot.
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Goggy wrote:
Belkira wrote:
Stuff about descriptions which I failed to quote properly
I get what you're saying, but there's a difference in radioing a suspects description to control for circulation than reporting that John Do just got 5 years for armed robbery. Whether John is black, white or puce is irrelevant.
Edited, Jul 24th 2009 1:06pm by Goggy
The police statement in question said that Sgt. Crawley was speaking "to a black male." It would seem to me that the officer in question didn't know who this person was, so I don't see an issue here.
My opinion is that he was talking to a male, whether this indicative of a police officer who thought about his colour more than who he was is another opinion.
publiusvarus wrote:
Elinda,
Is it the height of absurdity to suggest we use all descriptors? The tall fat black man is breaking into a house.
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use descriptors like 'tall' or 'obese' or whatever as in many situations it's much for descriptive than simply black
Is it the height of absurdity to suggest we use all descriptors? The tall fat black man is breaking into a house.
I don't think dispatch uses race terms for the officers to identify someone - it's not enough information for identification. So, why do they?
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
Goggy wrote:
My opinion is that he was talking to a male, whether this indicative of a police officer who thought about his colour more than who he was is another opinion.
To use your own logic against you, he was talking to a person, you sexist pig. Why do cops even bother to identify sex? I mean, it can't possibly do anything but discriminate them against the people in question!
Edit: Changed 'gender' to 'sex' in anticipation of Mindel and Anna.
Edited, Jul 24th 2009 2:04pm by Majivo
Elinda wrote:
It may be standard, but it's definitely discriminatory - unless the purpose is strictly to give one 'descriptive' word to find the correct individual. Otherwise what is the reason to specify race? If it is done to describe someone, you'd have to ask why dispatch doesn't use descriptors like 'tall' or 'obese' or whatever as in many situations it's much for descriptive than simply black - specially if there a bunch of other black people around.
That's not discriminatory at all. At least, it's not discriminatory in a worrying or inappropriate fashion. Specifying someone's race is important in forming a description, arguably more so than vague terms like "tall" or "obese."
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Well first off Black and White are racial terms - we are not really black and/or white at all, but varying shades of brown.
If you want to be exact, he's negroid. Which really just means "black."
Edited, Jul 24th 2009 7:38pm by zepoodle
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