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#377 Jul 28 2009 at 9:05 AM Rating: Default

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Nah, I started on this team. If it weren't for the cursed drink, I would probably have my gold star.

You realize if a guy get's drunk and has sex with another guy he'd, at the very least, be considered a closet homosexual right? No heterosexual male would ever get drunk and say to himself "you know I want to get f*cked in the as* tonight." Just because you live in a liberal bastion don't be afraid to be who you really are. It's ok to be straight; although your ******** friends might take offense.

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#378 Jul 28 2009 at 9:09 AM Rating: Good

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Nah, I started on this team. If it weren't for the cursed drink, I would probably have my gold star.

You realize if a guy get's drunk and has sex with another guy he'd, at the very least, be considered a closet homosexual right? No heterosexual male would ever get drunk and say to himself "you know I want to get f*cked in the as* tonight." Just because you live in a liberal bastion don't be afraid to be who you really are. It's ok to be straight; although your ******** friends might take offense.

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Straight people are icky.

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#379 REDACTED, Posted: Jul 28 2009 at 9:10 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Majivo,

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I think too you definitely have issues (whitemansburden), but let's not get into that.

Everyone who disagrees with you must have "issues", huh? Couldn't possibly be that your view is biased and particularly unreasonable. No way!

No, it must be a character fault with the other person. Damn them for having an opinion that doesn't jive with your willful expectations of society.

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#381 Jul 28 2009 at 9:17 AM Rating: Default

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Straight people are icky.

No that's what get's shot in your face after it's over.

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#382 Jul 28 2009 at 9:23 AM Rating: Excellent

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Straight people are icky.

No that's what get's shot in your face after it's over.

My ex was a squirter. It was like eating out a lawn sprinkler sometimes.

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#383 Jul 28 2009 at 9:49 AM Rating: Decent

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In this particular case the officer did nothing wrong. The caller did nothing wrong.

I disagree. While the officer didn't step outside his legal boundaries, he definitely overreacted, and the caller wasted everybody's goddamn time by reporting a nonexistent crime.

The best and simplest solution is not to conclude that one side was right and the other wrong, but that both sides are stupid and need to stop wearing their asses as hats. Seriously, the only person I see acting responsibly here is the President, and even then it's the ill-advised kind of responsibility where things would probably turn out better if you hadn't intervened.

Okay, so basically the officer handled it exactly as he should when someone is screaming racist at him and making it so he is unable to do his job. So he must've over reacted because he ended up arresting the guy just to release him 3 hours later. Right.

Don't blame the 911 operator. He was also doing his job. You know why he was trying to get her to say that it was a break and enter? It's so the cops have a legitimate reason to go there. Protocol. They need you to say a crime is happening. It wasn't overkill or being an ***.

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#384 Jul 28 2009 at 9:57 AM Rating: Good

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Okay, so basically the officer handled it exactly as he should when someone is screaming racist at him and making it so he is unable to do his job. So he must've over reacted because he ended up arresting the guy just to release him 3 hours later. Right.

Do what?

From what I understand, what happened was the officer showed up, asked Gates who he was and asked for ID showing that he owned the house. Gates got a little irate at that, but relented and showed two forms of picture ID showing that he owned the property in question. Gates was standing on his own porch, angry at the officer and vocalizing it, when the officer stepped up onto his porch and arrested him for disorderly conduct.

Gates was not arrested for making it so the officer was unable to "do his job." In my opinion, once the cop saw that Gates was who he said he was, he owed Gates an apology and should've left.

Also, I heard that yelling at a police officer is no longer considered "disorderly conduct" in Massachusetts. Is that true? If so, there could be grounds for a wrongful arrest suit.

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manicshock wrote:

Okay, so basically the officer handled it exactly as he should when someone is screaming racist at him and making it so he is unable to do his job. So he must've over reacted because he ended up arresting the guy just to release him 3 hours later. Right.

Do what?

From what I understand, what happened was the officer showed up, asked Gates who he was and asked for ID showing that he owned the house. Gates got a little irate at that, but relented and showed two forms of picture ID showing that he owned the property in question. Gates was standing on his own porch, angry at the officer and vocalizing it, when the officer stepped up onto his porch and arrested him for disorderly conduct.

Gates was not arrested for making it so the officer was unable to "do his job." In my opinion, once the cop saw that Gates was who he said he was, he owed Gates an apology and should've left.

Also, I heard that yelling at a police officer is no longer considered "disorderly conduct" in Massachusetts. Is that true? If so, there could be grounds for a wrongful arrest suit.

Commonwealth v. Mulvey, 2003. The court found that the presence of police does not turn what would otherwise be considered a private outburst in to disorderly conduct, effectively setting a precedent that yelling at a cop in an otherwise private environment is not illegal per se.

However, so long as the arresting officer follows the laws of arrest procedure applicable to his jurisdiction, it's very unlikely that a wrongful arrest suit could succeed. A wrongful arrest implies that the person is detained by a person without legal authority to do so, and since police officers can detain on suspicion and probable cause (an ordinary citizen, by contrast, may only detain someone they catch in the act of breaking the law), it's very difficult to argue that the officer overstepped his legal authority.

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Mindel wrote:

Belkira the Tulip wrote:

manicshock wrote:

Okay, so basically the officer handled it exactly as he should when someone is screaming racist at him and making it so he is unable to do his job. So he must've over reacted because he ended up arresting the guy just to release him 3 hours later. Right.

Do what?

From what I understand, what happened was the officer showed up, asked Gates who he was and asked for ID showing that he owned the house. Gates got a little irate at that, but relented and showed two forms of picture ID showing that he owned the property in question. Gates was standing on his own porch, angry at the officer and vocalizing it, when the officer stepped up onto his porch and arrested him for disorderly conduct.

Gates was not arrested for making it so the officer was unable to "do his job." In my opinion, once the cop saw that Gates was who he said he was, he owed Gates an apology and should've left.

Also, I heard that yelling at a police officer is no longer considered "disorderly conduct" in Massachusetts. Is that true? If so, there could be grounds for a wrongful arrest suit.

Commonwealth v. Mulvey, 2003. The court found that the presence of police does not turn what would otherwise be considered a private outburst in to disorderly conduct.

However, so long as the arresting officer follows the laws of arrest procedure applicable to his jurisdiction, it's very unlikely that a wrongful arrest suit could succeed. A wrongful arrest implies that the person is detained by a person without legal authority to do so, and since police officers can detain on suspicion and probable cause (an ordinary citizen, by contrast, may only detain someone they catch in the act of breaking the law), it's very difficult to argue that the officer overstepped his legal authority.

Oh.

Well.

He still sucks.

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You should understand the concept of healthy skepticism.

What you have is not healthy skepticism.

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#388 Jul 28 2009 at 11:48 AM Rating: Decent

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You realize if a guy get's drunk and has sex with another guy he'd, at the very least, be considered a closet homosexual right?

Maybe by other closet homosexuals that are afraid of their own identity Smiley: lol

"homosexual" and "heterosexual" are convenient words that allow us to describe common sets of behaviors and attractions, and nothing more. It matters not one whit if a dude randomly sexes another dude while drunk. It tells you nothing about his normal preferences and ultimate sexual identity.

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Another thing.

The officer in question may or may not have been influenced by race. He was wrong either way in arresting Gates, not because Gates is black, but because a cop shouldn't be above remonstration or questioning. This was mentioned earlier but it's seriously ******* disgusting that a police dude can walk onto your property, treat you like you're a criminal, and arrest you when you yell at him. Real people yell at each other all of the ******* time. A cop shouldn't be special.

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#389 Jul 28 2009 at 12:05 PM Rating: Good

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Belkira the Tulip wrote:

once the cop saw that Gates was who he said he was, he owed Gates an apology and should've left.
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I choose to remain healthily sceptical as to whether a cop who has been called out on a job should apologise for actually turning up to do the job.

Personally, I'd have offered him a cup o' tea ~~and a spliff~~....

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#390 REDACTED, Posted: Jul 28 2009 at 1:07 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Tulip,

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From what I understand, what happened was the officer showed up, asked Gates who he was and asked for ID showing that he owned the house. Gates got a little irate at that, but relented and showed two forms of picture ID showing that he owned the property in question. Gates was standing on his own porch, angry at the officer and vocalizing it, when the officer stepped up onto his porch and arrested him for disorderly conduct.

That's not what I heard. What I heard was that at first Gates refused to show the officer an identification. After a few moments he relented; then produced his Harvard ID. The officer called the Harvard security to come verify the ID. After it was verified and the officer was leaving Gates followed him outside onto, yes his yard, screaming like a wild man. That was when the officer took Gates into custody for disorderly conduct.

The tapes, and hopefully police care video, will reveal what really went on. Of course if the info is damaging to Gates and Obama don't look for it to be revealed at all.

That's right. I forgot. After he showed valid ID, the cop called for back up, which was totally unnecessary. Thanks.

Other than that, you pretty much have the same story I do, except that Gates went into his yard instead of staying on the porch. Which really shouldn't matter, since it's all his own property, and yelling at a cop is not considered disorderly conduct in Massachusetts.

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#392 REDACTED, Posted: Jul 28 2009 at 1:33 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Tulip,

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and yelling at a cop is not considered disorderly conduct in Massachusetts.

Yelling at a cop will get you hog tied and dragged, face first, across pavement here.

Edited, Jul 28th 2009 5:33pm by publiusvarus

That's a damn shame. But they weren't here. They were in Mass.

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and yelling at a cop is not considered disorderly conduct in Massachusetts.

Yelling at a cop will get you hog tied and dragged, face first, across pavement here.

Edited, Jul 28th 2009 5:33pm by publiusvarus

I got in to a screaming argument with a cop once and ended up calling him a fat cunt.

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#395 Jul 28 2009 at 1:53 PM Rating: Good

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Theres a fine line between standing in your yard having a bit of a shout, and being an cnut.

Is being an cnut in the presence of a policeman against the law? Probably not, but if i was a cop and someone was being an cnut to me, I'd probably go out of my way to inconvenience them for a few hours, even if I knew it wouldn't lead to charges.....

But thats just me.

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#396 REDACTED, Posted: Jul 28 2009 at 1:54 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Mindel,

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paulsol wrote:

Theres a fine line between standing in your yard having a bit of a shout, and being an cnut.

Is being an cnut in the presence of a policeman against the law? Probably not, but if i was a cop and someone was being an cnut to me, I'd probably go out of my way to inconvenience them for a few hours, even if I knew it wouldn't lead to charges.....

But thats just me.

I think police officers should be above such petty behavior, personally. But hey, that's just me.

If I walked onto someone elses property and demanded proof that they owned their own house, then called for back up even after I had that proof, I would expect to be yelled at.

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#398 Jul 28 2009 at 2:13 PM Rating: Good

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Belkira the Tulip wrote:

I think police officers should be above such petty behavior.

I'm sure that one day they will be!