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#327 Jul 27 2009 at 5:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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Hey Smash, while you're here, what's the best way to learn to play poker?


Study enough probability to understand the relative equities of a given situation, ie: be able to know instantly how much you'll win and what your chances of winning are if you take a given action.

This is trivially easy.

Study enough psychology to understand why and when other people might make irrational decisions, and how you can exploit this.

This is easy.

Study enough systems theory to understand how you react to feedback loops and develop enough self discipline to make the correct decision based on the situational equities in play instead of how your brain is telling you to react.

The studying part is easy, the pushing through your brains pattern recognition engine to make the correct play even after doing so has resulted in a loss for you the last 4 times in a row is the exceedingly difficult part and why most people can't play for a living. That and the statistical variance involved in making thousands and thousands of slightly +EV decisions where you might do everything right and lose money for a month. The variance will eat your soul.

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#328 Jul 27 2009 at 5:23 PM Rating: Good
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Smasharoo wrote:
There is no way to establish the counter factual case. Would the police have been called were this random WASP Harvard Prof #19? We'll never know.


No, we won't. Which would relate back to my original point that it's stupid to assume the woman called solely because the men were black.

Annabella wrote:
There is CBD, desperate to change his point.


Yeah, clarifying pronoun use sure shows a drastic change in point. Nothing I said or quoted stated that I was talking about the police force or the system as a whole. Get over it.





Edited, Jul 27th 2009 9:23pm by CBD
#329 Jul 27 2009 at 5:26 PM Rating: Default
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CBD wrote:
Smasharoo wrote:
There is no way to establish the counter factual case. Would the police have been called were this random WASP Harvard Prof #19? We'll never know.


No, we won't. Which would relate back to my original point that it's stupid to assume the woman called solely because the men were black.

Annabella wrote:
There is CBD, desperate to change his point.


Yeah, clarifying pronoun use sure shows a drastic change in point. Nothing I said or quoted stated that I was talking about the police force or the system as a whole. Get over it.


Or even about the eyewitness in the case? Please, CBD, stop trying so hard to be right. Also, you didn't get the point Smash was making. And I suspect many other people's, including mine. You should reread the post. It's okay, CBD. I assume everyone under the age of 25 is functionally retarded.

Edited, Jul 27th 2009 9:27pm by Annabella
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#330 Jul 27 2009 at 5:27 PM Rating: Good
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Study enough psychology to understand why and when other people might make irrational decisions, and how you can exploit this.

This is easy.


Any reccomendations? I don't know jack about psychology, apart from personal observations which are less than reliable.

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The studying part is easy, the pushing through your brains pattern recognition engine to make the correct play even after doing so has resulted in a loss for you the last 4 times in a row is the exceedingly difficult part and why most people can't play for a living.


I've kind of already run into playing rock-paper-scissors. Your natural inclination leads you away from doing the same thing several times in a row because of a fear of being predictable, when in actuality playing the same thing three times is contrary to most people's expectations. And, of course, if it fails the first two times this is even more the case. That's what you mean, right?
#331 Jul 27 2009 at 7:12 PM Rating: Decent
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How many of them have had police show up? Guessing, I'd think a few. How many of them have been handcuffed and taken to jail.

None.


You're missing a key element though: How many of them berated the cop who came to verify that the home was not being burglarized by calling them racists, making remarks about their mothers, and then continued to do so after being warned that they were being disruptive and might be arrested if they continue?

We can dance around the questions about motives for everyone else involved in this, but it's abundantly clear that Professor Gates acted like a complete idiot here. We can speculate about racial motivations on the part of the police officers, the caller, and the woman who brought the situation to the attention of the caller, but we can absolutely say the Professor Gates acted in a racist manner. He assumed that because he was black, and the officer was white, that this meant that the officer must be racist. He made a judgment based solely on the color of the skin of those involved. That's racism.


I also love how as more facts come out about this, the goalposts keep getting moved by those who seem unusually insistent to defend Professor Gates on this. First, it's a group of white police officers who arrested him for being black. Oopps! Well, only one was white, another hispanic, and another black, but the white guy was still racist. Ok. Well... He may not have been, and maybe we got it wrong about why and when he was arrested, but clearly the caller was racist when she chose to report two black men breaking into the home. Oppsie! She didn't know their skin color either. Hmmm... Well... Maybe we can guess that the older women who told the caller about it did so because she knew they were black! Um... Yeah!


Do you guys really have to stretch this far to continue to twist this story around so that it is the white guys fault? At what point will you realize your own bias here? President Obama said one thing that was true. This is a "teachable moment". What we should be learning is that black people can be racist too, and that it's just as wrong to assume that the white person interacting with you is doing so because of your own skin color as it is for any other example of white racism out there.

It does not matter how often you think white people are racist towards black people, or even how often it actually happens. None of that excuses this behavior on the part of both Professor Gates, and President Obama, and neither does it do so for posters on this forum. In this particular case the officer did nothing wrong. The caller did nothing wrong. The person who reacted in a racist manner was Professor Gates, and everyone who assumed he must have been the victim here. You all did that because he was black and for no other reason. Each situation should be judged on it's own merits. Making assumptions about the events which occurred based on the skin colors of those involved makes *you* a racist.


A whole lot of people really ought to be ashamed of themselves in this case...

Edited, Jul 27th 2009 8:14pm by gbaji
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#332 Jul 27 2009 at 7:30 PM Rating: Decent
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gbaji wrote:
You all....



Ummmm....Not all.
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#333 Jul 27 2009 at 7:49 PM Rating: Good
Gbaji is hunch-backed with the weight of the white man's burden.
#334 Jul 27 2009 at 8:23 PM Rating: Decent
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paulsol wrote:
gbaji wrote:
You all....



Ummmm....Not all.


Read the previous sentence and find the antecedent to the pronoun "you".
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#335 Jul 27 2009 at 8:53 PM Rating: Good
Annabella, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
It's okay, CBD. I assume everyone under the age of 25 is functionally retarded.


You should stop trying to bring your client base down to your level.
#336 Jul 27 2009 at 9:41 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
paulsol wrote:
gbaji wrote:
You all....



Ummmm....Not all.


Read the previous sentence and find the antecedent to the pronoun "you".


You're right. -1 to me for reading comprehension. Smiley: frown
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#337 Jul 27 2009 at 9:42 PM Rating: Good
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Annabella, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
And I suspect many other people's, including mine.


I said it was stupid to claim the woman would never have the call if the people were white, simply because no one knows her POV from that day. You replied by acting as though I was claiming racial profiling doesn't exist. It does! Everywhere! Great! That's still not reason to assume the woman making the damn call did it because they were black.

Are you just off in some theoretical world where she could have done so just because people do so? I'm sure it's fun there, but I prefer to discuss reality.

gbaji wrote:
In this particular case the officer did nothing wrong


That's ********* One person abused their power that day, and it wasn't Dr. Gates.

Edited, Jul 28th 2009 1:45am by CBD
#338 Jul 27 2009 at 9:52 PM Rating: Good
CBD wrote:
Annabella, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
And I suspect many other people's, including mine.


I said it was stupid to claim the woman would never have the call if the people were white, simply because no one knows her POV from that day. You replied by acting as though I was claiming racial profiling doesn't exist. It does! Everywhere! Great! That's still not reason to assume the woman making the damn call did it because they were black.

Are you just off in some theoretical world where she could have done so just because people do so? I'm sure it's fun there, but I prefer to discuss reality.


Some people call the police when they see a black man doing something suspicious because they are racist
This woman called the police because she saw a man doing something suspicious.
The man happened to be black.
The woman must be racist!

Yeah.. Smiley: disappointed
#339 Jul 27 2009 at 9:56 PM Rating: Decent
I'm just going to add that this:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-gates28-2009jul28,0,5578765.story wrote:
It started out as a casual suggestion: three guys working out their differences over a beer. But President Obama's offer to play host to the cop and the professor entangled in a debate over racial profiling now carries the imprimatur of high-level diplomacy.

White House aides are downplaying expectations that the beer summit that Obama suggested last week will produce a resolution.

It's set for Thursday, an administration official confirmed Monday night. Both Sgt. James Crowley of the Cambridge, Mass., Police Department and Harvard University professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. have agreed to come. That means Obama is on the hook to achieve some kind of agreement.


is utterly silly. Racism is an important issue, sure, but doesn't the leader of the free world have better things to do than play nanny to an easily offended black man and a cop with (perhaps) a temper problem?

Edited, Jul 28th 2009 12:57am by BrownDuck
#340 Jul 27 2009 at 10:24 PM Rating: Decent
You're only saying that because of white privilege, Brownduck. Your upbringing allows you to treast racial issues as unimportant, if not actually fabricated. At least you've stopped telling black jokes, I guess. Maybe, in time, you can come to realise that society offers you a wealth of advantages over black people. Maybe, some day, you will embrace the guilt and shame that all white people should feel for oppressing their black compatriots all day, every day.
#341 Jul 27 2009 at 10:48 PM Rating: Decent
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Maybe, some day, you will embrace the guilt and shame that all white people should feel for oppressing their black compatriots all day, every day.


Wow, it's an entirely opposite white man's burden!
#342 Jul 28 2009 at 12:52 AM Rating: Good
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Maybe, some day, you will embrace the guilt and shame that all white people should feel for oppressing their black compatriots all day, every day.


Wow, it's an entirely opposite white man's burden!


Everyone is always trying to keep the white man down.
#343 Jul 28 2009 at 1:18 AM Rating: Decent
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Annabella, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
It's okay, CBD. I assume everyone under the age of 25 is functionally retarded.


Ageist.
#344 Jul 28 2009 at 1:22 AM Rating: Decent
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gbaji wrote:
In this particular case the officer did nothing wrong. The caller did nothing wrong.


I disagree. While the officer didn't step outside his legal boundaries, he definitely overreacted, and the caller wasted everybody's goddamn time by reporting a nonexistent crime.

The best and simplest solution is not to conclude that one side was right and the other wrong, but that both sides are stupid and need to stop wearing their asses as hats. Seriously, the only person I see acting responsibly here is the President, and even then it's the ill-advised kind of responsibility where things would probably turn out better if you hadn't intervened.
#345 Jul 28 2009 at 3:59 AM Rating: Default
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CBD wrote:
Annabella, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
And I suspect many other people's, including mine.


I said it was stupid to claim the woman would never have the call if the people were white, simply because no one knows her POV from that day. You replied by acting as though I was claiming racial profiling doesn't exist. It does! Everywhere! Great! That's still not reason to assume the woman making the damn call did it because they were black.

Are you just off in some theoretical world where she could have done so just because people do so? I'm sure it's fun there, but I prefer to discuss reality.


My theoretical world is Cambridge, MA where I've worked on hundreds of court cases but hey! who am I to compete with some random college student with internet access. Dude, I'm out of this discussion. CBD, you used to be cool. Now you are just like Brownduck.

You should understand the concept of healthy skepticism.

Edited, Jul 28th 2009 8:00am by Annabella
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#346 Jul 28 2009 at 4:57 AM Rating: Good
There is some powerful idiocy in this thread, Anna. We should go and make out or something. Smiley: oyvey
#347 Jul 28 2009 at 4:58 AM Rating: Good
Don't worry your beta-male self too much about Anna, CBD. She's just goruchy that your generation is going to kill her generation when they become old and useless. Or maybe she's grouchy because she's going to a Welsh school soon and she knows what utter bastards the Welsh are, every last one of them. Or maybe she hates racism in all its forms and sees your denial as helping it on its merry way. Maybe she just thinks you're a bit of a cretin. Personally, I suspect it's a volatile mixture of all of these things. Anyway, the point is, no matter who people perceive as having won this little exchange, you're still the one with white privilege, and Gates is still the one getting arrested on his own porch. And hell, if you went in to Anna's line of work, for some odd reason, you'd likely end up being paid more than her by the end of your career based solely on your ******** status.

I guess what I'm saying is this: society is on your side here. Don't sweat it.

Edited, Jul 28th 2009 12:59pm by Kavekk
#348 Jul 28 2009 at 5:52 AM Rating: Decent
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I talked about this situation with my father today, who I eventually convinced that the situation was more complex than Gates simply @#%^ing himself over by unabashedly yelling at police unprovoked Smiley: yippee

Edited, Jul 28th 2009 9:52am by Pensive
#349 Jul 28 2009 at 6:07 AM Rating: Good
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Mindel wrote:
There is some powerful idiocy in this thread, Anna. We should go and make out or something. Smiley: oyvey


Oh, afternoon delight.
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#350 Jul 28 2009 at 6:18 AM Rating: Excellent
I am just loath to say that it was completely motivated by race. I'm not discounting it, I just hate to be so pessimistic. It seems like the other side to the same coin as people who stick their head in the sand and insist there is no way racism could play a part.
#351 Jul 28 2009 at 6:26 AM Rating: Default
You people are still discussing this racist elitist professor? He's a racist, you know he's a racist. Just admit it to yourself and we can move on.

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