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#252 Jul 27 2009 at 11:47 AM Rating: Good
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Mindel wrote:
I should pretend I don't have my hand in my panties right now, but that would be a lie.


It's like seeing a scene an S&M party but without any consent. Smiley: mad Or condoms!
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#253REDACTED, Posted: Jul 27 2009 at 11:49 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Mindel,
#254 Jul 27 2009 at 11:51 AM Rating: Decent
Annabella, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
The Great BrownDuck wrote:
Annabella, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
The Great BrownDuck wrote:
Annabella, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
passive aggressive.


I don't think this word means what you think it means.


No, I do. I think you aren't very insightful.


Why do you just admit that I threaten you and that's why you feel the constant need to try to break me down or puff your chest and make yourself seem better than me? If anyone here is passive aggressive, it's you. Worse, you do it with the maturity of a child.


Your hypocrisy is amazing. So basically you bait me by making some personal insults and then castigate me for acting in kind--in the same thread.

You go make yourself feel better, BD. Pretend that I'm threatened by your crudely formed, semi-literate arguments. Continue to maintain that your maturity includes random little passive aggressive sniping about people. Never take ownership of your own sh*t.

Also, you are a dumbass. That's not passive aggressively stated either. :P


I was making a simple observation of your behavior in relation to the topic (or rather, the nature of the topic). You proceeded to attempt to discredit my observation by pulling the "I'm better than you are" card. Does that make you seem threatened? Yeah, I think it does. Smiley: smile
#255 Jul 27 2009 at 11:52 AM Rating: Default
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The Great BrownDuck wrote:
Annabella, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
The Great BrownDuck wrote:
Annabella, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
The Great BrownDuck wrote:
Annabella, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
passive aggressive.


I don't think this word means what you think it means.


No, I do. I think you aren't very insightful.


Why do you just admit that I threaten you and that's why you feel the constant need to try to break me down or puff your chest and make yourself seem better than me? If anyone here is passive aggressive, it's you. Worse, you do it with the maturity of a child.


Your hypocrisy is amazing. So basically you bait me by making some personal insults and then castigate me for acting in kind--in the same thread.

You go make yourself feel better, BD. Pretend that I'm threatened by your crudely formed, semi-literate arguments. Continue to maintain that your maturity includes random little passive aggressive sniping about people. Never take ownership of your own sh*t.

Also, you are a dumbass. That's not passive aggressively stated either. :P


I was making a simple observation of your behavior in relation to the topic (or rather, the nature of the topic). You proceeded to attempt to discredit my observation by pulling the "I'm better than you are" card. Does that make you seem threatened? Yeah, I think it does. Smiley: smile


There should be a picture of you in the dictionary beside the word, "passive aggressive."
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#256 Jul 27 2009 at 11:53 AM Rating: Good
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Mindel,

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I should pretend I don't have my hand in my panties right now, but that would be a lie.


Now you're just teasing. And we all know what happens to teases...they get peepholes drilled in their hotel room and have nudey pics posted on the net.

Sorry, I only **** guys when I'm blind drunk, and I've been on the wagon for almost a year now, so you're out of luck.
#257 Jul 27 2009 at 11:54 AM Rating: Good
Annabella, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
There should be a picture of you in the dictionary beside the word, "passive aggressive."


They only allow your picture in the dictionary once. I'm already next to AWESOME, so it really wouldn't work out. I'm sorry to deliver the bad news.
#258 Jul 27 2009 at 11:55 AM Rating: Default
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The Great BrownDuck wrote:
Annabella, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
There should be a picture of you in the dictionary beside the word, "passive aggressive."


They only allow your picture in the dictionary once. I'm already next to AWESOME, so it really wouldn't work out. I'm sorry to deliver the bad news.


Tell that to Thomas Edison.
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#259 Jul 27 2009 at 11:57 AM Rating: Good
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I would thank anna and stubs for exemplifying my point if they didn't always do this.
#260 Jul 27 2009 at 11:59 AM Rating: Good
Pensive the Ludicrous wrote:
I would thank anna and stubs for exemplifying my point if they didn't always do this.


Indian bride? No thanks? Ok.


What point?
#261 Jul 27 2009 at 12:00 PM Rating: Good
Annabella, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
The Great BrownDuck wrote:
Annabella, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
There should be a picture of you in the dictionary beside the word, "passive aggressive."


They only allow your picture in the dictionary once. I'm already next to AWESOME, so it really wouldn't work out. I'm sorry to deliver the bad news.


Tell that to Thomas Edison.


He is certainly a far greater man than I. If they wish to make an exception for his photograph, who am I to contest?
#262 Jul 27 2009 at 12:29 PM Rating: Decent
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The Great BrownDuck wrote:
Pensive the Ludicrous wrote:
I would thank anna and stubs for exemplifying my point if they didn't always do this.


Indian bride? No thanks? Ok.

What point?


That discussions about racism are extremely divisive, whereas they should be treated as providing good opportunities to broaden our experiences through dialogue, allowing us to understand and empathize with other positions, even if our rational ideals don't match up with subjective experience. It really shouldn't be that hard to say: "hmm, maybe Gates has some legitimate beef with institutional racism and was justified in being pissed," and it also should not be that hard to say: "hmm, maybe the cop in question wasn't trying to be racist at all, and also had legitimate reasons for being suspicious of Gates"

Basically the I-Thou relationship and all that.

Edited, Jul 27th 2009 4:32pm by Pensive
#263 Jul 27 2009 at 12:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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Mindel wrote:
Sorry, I only @#%^ guys when I'm blind drunk, and I've been on the wagon for almost a year now

So you're saying it wouldn't take much liquor at this point to get you blind drunk?

Edited, Jul 27th 2009 3:31pm by Jophiel
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#264REDACTED, Posted: Jul 27 2009 at 12:33 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Jophed,
#265 Jul 27 2009 at 12:35 PM Rating: Decent
Varus, there's just one problem.

She lives in New Jersey.

Therefore, one of you is out of the league of the other one, but I'm not sure which.
#266REDACTED, Posted: Jul 27 2009 at 12:56 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Denham,
#267 Jul 27 2009 at 1:55 PM Rating: Decent
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Annabella, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
Really? And this is the incident where you aren't gonna find it? This is people here denying certain realities that some people face. It's part of white privilege.


Christ almighty, I'm glad you've devoted your life to be a Savior Of The Downtrodden, but could you manage to step off your high horse for several seconds to read what I'm saying?

Let me boil it down to basic reading comprehension for you - am I talk about the manner in which Gates was treated by the officer and the subsequent arrest, or the woman making the call?

Why, that's right! I'm talking about the woman! "BUT SHE CALLED THE COPS ON HIM AND SHE SHOULD KNOW WHO HE IS!" He didn't roll up to his house in a pinstripe suit with his pinky sticking out and a personal driver with a fancy hat and limousine, now did he.

Perhaps she should have just made sure her nape was covered, ruffled her long, flowing skirt a bit, and skipped over while calling to them - "Excuse me, fair sirs! I wish to inquire if you truly are the proper owners of this humble establishment, for your behavior seems to be a bit improper. Why, one could almost assume you were robbing the house based on your actions!"

And then get shot in the face if instead of Dr. Gates, it really was riffraff robbing the place.

Oh, wait, that must just be my racist side talking again. No robbers would carry guns. I'm just saying that because they're black, and as a whitey I naturally hate and discriminate against black people.

"BUT GATES SAID IT WAS RACISM AND HE'D KNOW BECAUSE HE WAS THERE." No. He said the treatment by the officer came off as racist. The situation should have been over after he showed ID to prove he owned the place. It wasn't. That has nothing to do with the woman calling the cops in the first place. In fact, I can't find anything at all that suggests he even faults her for that.

Oh! And what's that! The lock might have been jimmied by someone else trying to break in? Boy, CLEARLY this woman called the cops because they were black, and not because it was potentially suspicious.

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http://www.theroot.com/views/skip-gates-speaks?page=0,3 wrote:
HLG: I don’t know this person, and I’m sure that she thought she was doing the right thing. If I was on Martha’s Vineyard like I am now and someone was trying to break into my house, I would hope that someone called the police and that they would respond.


Don't let that stop your crusade, though. I guess you would know better than he would.

Edited, Jul 27th 2009 5:58pm by CBD
#268 Jul 27 2009 at 1:56 PM Rating: Good
Jophiel wrote:
Mindel wrote:
Sorry, I only @#%^ guys when I'm blind drunk, and I've been on the wagon for almost a year now

So you're saying it wouldn't take much liquor at this point to get you blind drunk?

Edited, Jul 27th 2009 3:31pm by Jophiel
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#269 Jul 27 2009 at 2:04 PM Rating: Default
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CBD is the new Brownduck, except you are even less articulate. Certainly, any black man shoving his door around lunch time in an area where he is one of the most well-known residents is suspect. SURELY. Suffer the possibility that she might have lived in a country with racial stereotypes and discrimination and that affected her ability to judge the situation. I mean, my God, isn't racism so rare that most of us have never even heard that black men have a higher incarceration rate and been subject to judicial racism?

And surely you know all about Cambridge, MA. I mean, you lived or worked there, haven't you?



Edited, Jul 27th 2009 6:07pm by Annabella
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#270 Jul 27 2009 at 2:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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CBD wrote:
He didn't roll up to his house in a pinstripe suit with his pinky sticking out and a personal driver with a fancy hat and limousine, now did he.


Er, sort of. He "rolled up" in a hired town car.

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#271 Jul 27 2009 at 2:20 PM Rating: Excellent
Annabella, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
Certainly, any black man shoving his door around lunch time in an area where he is one of the most well-known residents is suspect.


Well-known to the people who live around there, I'm sure. This particular lady did not live there, and perhaps she's like me, and wouldn't know Dr. Gates if he walked up to her on the street and shook her hand.

I don't blame the lady who called the cops. She thought she was doing her civic duty. Good on her. I'm pretty sure she'd have done the same thing if it had been a white guy trying to jimmie the lock.
#272 Jul 27 2009 at 2:25 PM Rating: Default
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Annabella, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
Certainly, any black man shoving his door around lunch time in an area where he is one of the most well-known residents is suspect.


Well-known to the people who live around there, I'm sure. This particular lady did not live there, and perhaps she's like me, and wouldn't know Dr. Gates if he walked up to her on the street and shook her hand.

I don't blame the lady who called the cops. She thought she was doing her civic duty. Good on her. I'm pretty sure she'd have done the same thing if it had been a white guy trying to jimmie the lock.


But it is just a coincidence that I have never heard of this happening to a white person in Harvard Square--particularly a professor.

Edited, Jul 27th 2009 6:26pm by Annabella
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#273 Jul 27 2009 at 2:29 PM Rating: Good
Annabella, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Annabella, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
Certainly, any black man shoving his door around lunch time in an area where he is one of the most well-known residents is suspect.


Well-known to the people who live around there, I'm sure. This particular lady did not live there, and perhaps she's like me, and wouldn't know Dr. Gates if he walked up to her on the street and shook her hand.

I don't blame the lady who called the cops. She thought she was doing her civic duty. Good on her. I'm pretty sure she'd have done the same thing if it had been a white guy trying to jimmie the lock.


But it is just a coincidence that I have never heard of this happening to a white person in Harvard Square--particularly a professor.

Edited, Jul 27th 2009 6:26pm by Annabella


I bet it's not all that often that the doors of those expensive houses get stuck, either.

ETA: Also, if it had happened, it wouldn't have the racism draw that would make it a huge story.

Edited, Jul 27th 2009 5:29pm by Belkira
#274 Jul 27 2009 at 2:30 PM Rating: Good
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Annabella, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
Certainly, any black man shoving his door around lunch time in an area where he is one of the most well-known residents is suspect. SURELY.


No. But two people fiddling around with a front door, one of them disappearing to the back for a while, then returning to the front and forcing it open with the other man sure as hell is suspicious. You're a fucking idiot if you don't call the cops on that regardless of who was doing it.

Annabella wrote:
Suffer the possibility that she might have lived in a country with racial stereotypes and discrimination and that affected her ability to judge the situation.


Because if one person is racist, everyone is equally racist.

Annabella wrote:
I mean, my God, isn't racism so rare that most of us have never even heard that black men have a higher incarceration rate and been subject to judicial racism?


I bet the mysterious caller you know nothing about worked in the judicial system, and once she saw those blackies breaking in she decided to call the cops!

Actually, I'm mistaken. That quote had nothing to do with the woman. At all.

Annabella wrote:
And surely you know all about Cambridge, MA. I mean, you lived or worked there, haven't you?


Oh, silly me, you were right outside his house and saw the entire situation as it occurred! :D Haha, boy. I feel really dumb now. So you know that there had been several break-ins in the area then, right?

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/07/27/gates_caller_didnt_cite_race_police_say/ wrote:
The woman whose report of a possible house break-in led to the arrest of Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. said she never mentioned race during her 911 call and is “personally devastated’’ by media accounts that suggest she placed the call because the men she observed on the porch were black, according to a lawyer acting as her spokeswoman.

The woman, identified in a police report on file in Cambridge District Court as 40-year-old Lucia Whalen, saw the backs of both men and did not know their race when she called 911, said Wendy J. Murphy, a Boston lawyer from New England School of Law. Whalen phoned police, Murphy said, because she was aware of recent break-ins in the area.

In an interview last night, Cambridge Police Commissioner Robert C. Haas said it was ac curate that Whalen did not mention race in her 911 call. He acknowledged that a police report of the incident did include a race reference. The report says Whalen observed “what appeared to be two black males with backpacks on the front porch’’ of a Ware Street home on July 16.

That reference is there, said Haas, because the police report is a summary. Its descriptions - like the race of the two men - were collected during the inquiry, not necessarily from the initial 911 call, he said.


Are you done yet, or are you going to continually defend a pitiful argument that she was being directly racist when it's rather evident, had you looked into this at all, she wasn't?

Edited, Jul 27th 2009 6:31pm by CBD
#275 Jul 27 2009 at 2:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Annabella, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Annabella, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
Certainly, any black man shoving his door around lunch time in an area where he is one of the most well-known residents is suspect.


Well-known to the people who live around there, I'm sure. This particular lady did not live there, and perhaps she's like me, and wouldn't know Dr. Gates if he walked up to her on the street and shook her hand.

I don't blame the lady who called the cops. She thought she was doing her civic duty. Good on her. I'm pretty sure she'd have done the same thing if it had been a white guy trying to jimmie the lock.


But it is just a coincidence that I have never heard of this happening to a white person in Harvard Square--particularly a professor.

Edited, Jul 27th 2009 6:26pm by Annabella


I bet it's not all that often that the doors of those expensive houses get stuck, either.


I don't know, Belkira. I've talked to too many kids in Cambridge who talk about how the police are always harassing the black kids before the white kids--I get this account from all racial groups and kids of color getting targeted disproportionately by white residents in an area of the country with a lot of racial tension, to act like this is free from race. And Harvard Square is one of those annoyingly lilywhite enclaves of privilege, where POC have reported feeling scrutinized and excluded.

YMMV.
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#276 Jul 27 2009 at 2:33 PM Rating: Default
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Oh, silly me, you were right outside his house and saw the entire situation as it occurred! :D Haha, boy. I feel really dumb now. So you know that there had been several break-ins in the area then, right?


Oh, so you haven't been there. Nice try, Sweetie. You have no context. Again, I work in the Cambridge Court Clinic. I'm a little clued in on trends in the area. Also, about the police force and the racial tension.

Edited, Jul 27th 2009 6:35pm by Annabella
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