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#1 Jul 19 2009 at 5:35 AM Rating: Good
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http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/17/some-e-books-are-more-equal-than-others/

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This morning, hundreds of Amazon Kindle owners awoke to discover that books by a certain famous author had mysteriously disappeared from their e-book readers. These were books that they had bought and paid for—thought they owned.

But no, apparently the publisher changed its mind about offering an electronic edition, and apparently Amazon, whose business lives and dies by publisher happiness, caved. It electronically deleted all books by this author from people’s Kindles and credited their accounts for the price.

This is ugly for all kinds of reasons. Amazon says that this sort of thing is “rare,” but that it can happen at all is unsettling; we’ve been taught to believe that e-books are, you know, just like books, only better. Already, we’ve learned that they’re not really like books, in that once we’re finished reading them, we can’t resell or even donate them. But now we learn that all sales may not even be final.

As one of my readers noted, it’s like Barnes & Noble sneaking into our homes in the middle of the night, taking some books that we’ve been reading off our nightstands, and leaving us a check on the coffee table.

You want to know the best part? The juicy, plump, dripping irony?

The author who was the victim of this Big Brotherish plot was none other than George Orwell. And the books were “1984” and “Animal Farm.”

One day, someone's gonna come out with a 8 1/2" x 11" eBook reader that doesn't look like it ran into the ugly tree at 80 mph that doesn't have any associated DRM and I am gonna buy the FUCK out of that thing.

@Tirith, yeah yeah, I was editing it Smiley: mad

Edited, Jul 19th 2009 8:39am by Xsarus
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#2 Jul 19 2009 at 5:38 AM Rating: Good
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At least they credited their accounts for the books.


to bypass the filter you are supposed to interlace the tags, not put one inside the other...
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#3 Jul 19 2009 at 6:02 AM Rating: Good
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I've got a kindle and yeah, I'd be bummed if this happened to me. At the same time as long as my account was credited I'd be ok. I would just buy from another author, and instead of purchasing the book I had been reading, I'd go find it at a library . Win/win situation.

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#4 Jul 19 2009 at 7:19 AM Rating: Decent
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Lest some confused individuals misdirect their anger at George Orwell, he wasn't the one that pulled the books. He's been dead for almost 6 decades.
#5 Jul 19 2009 at 7:38 AM Rating: Good
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Lest some confused individuals misdirect their anger at George Orwell, he wasn't the one that pulled the books. He's been dead for almost 6 decades.


That's what they want you to think.
#6 Jul 19 2009 at 8:00 AM Rating: Excellent
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meh, I've been caffeine free for 2 days now and my brain is going. I missed the publisher part. Still, my stance stands. Even if the poor chap is dead, someone is making money off his books.

I did enjoy the irony of it though Smiley: lol
#7 Jul 20 2009 at 6:00 AM Rating: Excellent
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I've noticed that they don't have a lot of books available from deceased 20th century writers. I assume the writers' estates have some say in what gets published and in what format, and being comprised at least partially of lawyers, that's all going to take some time.

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#8 Jul 20 2009 at 6:13 AM Rating: Good
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personally I think that on death all the authors works should immediately become public domain.
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#9 Jul 20 2009 at 6:21 AM Rating: Decent
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I guess I don't really see how this is a 'big brother' plot, and therefore irony is lacking.
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#10 Jul 20 2009 at 6:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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Xsarus wrote:
personally I think that on death all the authors works should immediately become public domain.


Based on what? How do you feel about estate taxes? What about an inherited business?

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#11 Jul 20 2009 at 6:48 AM Rating: Good
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I would draw a line between creative work and a business.

I don't particularly like the estate/gift tax that the US uses. I prefer Canada's system. We don't have a gift tax, and the estate settles it's owing tax and is treated as Capital gains. I'm not really well versed in how it all works though, so I can't comment. From my superficial knowledge of gift tax it seems like just a cash grab to me.
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#12 Jul 20 2009 at 6:52 AM Rating: Excellent
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If it's a primary source of income, and continues generating income after the author is dead, how is it different from a business? In terms of inheritance and control, that is.

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#13 Jul 20 2009 at 6:55 AM Rating: Good
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I disagree with Xsarus on his point. I just find it funny that Orwell, who was a socialist who believed in economic justice, would have such tightass executors of his will. If they are doing it for some kind of financial reason, which they may or may not, that's doubly rich.
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#14 Jul 20 2009 at 6:59 AM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah, no idea as to the root cause, really. I just made that assumption based on the fact that the books they don't offer yet are last-century authors for the most part.

Some Fitzgerald, some (but not all) Hemingway, no Faulkner.

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#15 Jul 20 2009 at 7:06 AM Rating: Excellent
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Gift taxes, Estate taxes (upon a death), and Estate (income) taxes (for an ongoing Estate like Elivis') are all different animals.

In the U.S., as of 2009, an Estate (of a decedent) must be valued at more than $3,500,000 to be subject to the "Estate tax". This precludes the VAST majority of small businesses and Individuals. If your estate is worth more than 3.5 million dollars, please be wise enough to purchase some life insurance to cover the tax.

The gift tax is a tax paid by the giver and is only applied for gifts of over $12,000 from one individual to another. A married couple can therefore give $24,000 to one individual since there are two people that are giving. A married couple can give $48,000 to their marrtied child and his/her spouse.

An ongoing Estate (like Elvis') is an entity just like a corporation and pays income tax on it's profit.
#16 Jul 20 2009 at 7:31 AM Rating: Good
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It's not really a particularly strong conviction. Copyrights expire and everything becomes public domain eventually, so it doesn't really matter. I can see the argument of providing for your descendants by leaving them a product that can be sold.
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#17 Jul 20 2009 at 7:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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I dunno about descendants, but widow(er)s and orphans at least.

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#18 Jul 20 2009 at 8:00 AM Rating: Good
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Yeah, if the author's family is depending on the income from selling books, and the author dies, it'd be pretty rough if that income vanished.
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#19 Jul 21 2009 at 7:27 AM Rating: Good
I just got my Kindle last night at midnight. As such, I have not had the chance to use it yet.

I got it via DHL from the states to Dubai, then had a traveling friend bring it in his luggage (after getting slapped by the Dubai $80 customs fee).

Does Amazon have unlimited access to my Kindle's storage or are the files stored simply as a link to content hosted by Amazon?
#20 Jul 21 2009 at 7:58 AM Rating: Excellent
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Does Amazon have unlimited access to my Kindle's storage or are the files stored simply as a link to content hosted by Amazon?


I'm not sure how it works. When you download something it's instantly accessible, and your Kindle can store around 1200 books at a time. When you delete something you can get it back but you do have to download it again - does that help?

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#21 Jul 21 2009 at 7:59 AM Rating: Good
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From what I understand, you're storing the full books on your kindle, but apparently amazon can send a flag that will cause it to delete itself.

You also can redownload a book if it gets deleted or whatever (normally) but I think most of the books are kept on the kindle itself.

Edited, Jul 21st 2009 11:00am by Xsarus
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#22 Jul 21 2009 at 8:09 AM Rating: Good
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The author who was the victim of this Big Brotherish plot was none other than George Orwell. And the books were “1984” and “Animal Farm.”


That's because the edition of Animal Farm illustrated by Ralph Steadmen is the only edition, besides a first, to own.

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#23 Jul 21 2009 at 2:22 PM Rating: Good
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I am not familiar with the older versions but I know with the Kindle 2 you can keep up to 1500 books, blogs, magazines, and newspapers on it before you have to dump.

The kindle is a bad addiction. I've been buying on average a book every 2 days since I got it.
#24 Jul 21 2009 at 2:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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Lady DSD wrote:
I am not familiar with the older versions but I know with the Kindle 2 you can keep up to 1500 books, blogs, magazines, and newspapers on it before you have to dump.

The kindle is a bad addiction. I've been buying on average a book every 2 days since I got it.


With no Internet connection over the weekend I downloaded and read four books.

I have a problem.

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#25 Jul 21 2009 at 3:04 PM Rating: Good
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yeah Im finding that when nursing my hands are too idle so Im reading like a fiend. Theres nothing else to do and Sorens been in growth spurt mode for awhile sooo...
#26 Jul 21 2009 at 4:42 PM Rating: Good
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Lady DSD wrote:
I am not familiar with the older versions but I know with the Kindle 2 you can keep up to 1500 books, blogs, magazines, and newspapers on it before you have to dump.

The kindle is a bad addiction. I've been buying on average a book every 2 days since I got it.


With no Internet connection over the weekend I downloaded and read four books.

I have a problem.

I never thought of this. I would be liable to buy my way out of house and home. I would have a lot of books though.
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