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#152REDACTED, Posted: Jul 16 2009 at 11:36 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Locked,
#153 Jul 16 2009 at 11:36 AM Rating: Decent
publiusvarus wrote:
Jophed,

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As a reserve soldier and volunteer, he has the right to revoke his deployment orders.


Now is that the same as;

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As a reserve soldier and volunteer, Cook revoked his own deployment orders.


See the difference?


In this case? No, I don't.
#154 Jul 16 2009 at 11:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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Actually, I don't think he did formally request it.

However, since he was suing the Army to not have to go and since he didn't have to go anyway (since he could have just rescinded his own orders), the army did him the favor of just rescinding them for him. The only practical difference is now he owes some Russian Mail-Order Lawyer court fees. No conspiracy here -- why on earth would the army spend the time fighting someone on something they didn't have to do anyway?
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#155REDACTED, Posted: Jul 16 2009 at 11:37 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Tulip,
#156 Jul 16 2009 at 11:40 AM Rating: Excellent
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To make it clearer, I offer you Cook & The Burger Joint: A Play In One Act

Setting: A burger joint. A man works behind the counter.
Cook enters
Cook: I would like one of your finest burgers, please
Worker: Here you are!
Cook: I demand that you hand me some napkins.
Worker: Napkins are right there on the counter, sir. Take as many as you need.
Cook leaves
Cook returns with a woman, Orly the Lawyer
Orly: We demand napkins and are suing your burger stand until we get some!
Worker: Umm... here?
Worker hands Cook a handful of napkins
Orly & Cook (together): WE WON!! WE WON!!

End scene
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#157 Jul 16 2009 at 11:41 AM Rating: Excellent
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To make it clearer, I offer you Cook & The Burger Joint: A Play In One Act

Setting: A burger joint. A man works behind the counter.
Cook enters
Cook: I would like one of your finest burgers, please
Worker: Here you are!
Cook: I demand that you hand me some napkins.
Worker: Napkins are right there on the counter, sir. Take as many as you need.
Cook leaves
Cook returns with a woman, Orly the Lawyer
Orly: We demand napkins and are suing your burger stand until we get some!
Worker: Umm... here?
Worker hands Cook a handful of napkins
Orly & Cook (together): WE WON!! WE WON!!

End scene


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#158 Jul 16 2009 at 11:53 AM Rating: Excellent
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Only slightly? It's obvious i'm not trying hard enough.

Well be proud, slightly is pretty goood since it's not like I take any of this forum banter very seriously. Sure it's kind of fun to throw some ideas around and get into mini-debates, but it is the internet after all <insert trite internet joke involving retards>.

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lmao...I'd like you to re-read this thread and count how many personal attacks were aimed at this reservist and compare it with how many personal attacks i've aimed at Obama. Take into consideration requesting the President to make available his birth certificate is not a personal attack.

I counted 16 posts in this thread in which you envoked Obama's name in a derogatory fashion. There were 4 posts critical of the soldier in the beginning of the thread and then it devolved into a debate about Obama's legitamacy with maybe 2 or 3 more mentions of the reservist near the end of the thread once the court made its decision.

tl;dr Varus 16 attacks on Obama. Else 7 "attacks" on Maj. Stefan Frederick Cook
#159REDACTED, Posted: Jul 16 2009 at 12:08 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Blusic,
#160 Jul 16 2009 at 12:17 PM Rating: Excellent
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publiusvarus wrote:
I counted 2 attacks by me directed towards Obama.

That's twice more than Obama has attacked you!
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#161gbaji, Posted: Jul 16 2009 at 12:37 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Interesting twist on the "evidence/proof" bit I mentioned earlier.
#162 Jul 16 2009 at 12:40 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
Evidence isn't sufficient to get a day in court
You have no evidence.
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Take the hint guys, please take the hint.
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I'm not getting my news from anywhere Joph.
#163REDACTED, Posted: Jul 16 2009 at 12:55 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) bsphil,
#164 Jul 16 2009 at 2:21 PM Rating: Decent
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There is evidence. The president just won't release it.


Oh, ok, so you have no evidence.

Edited, Jul 16th 2009 6:21pm by CBD
#165 Jul 16 2009 at 3:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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I just find it interesting


You realize everyone else reads this as "the following is complete *************** right? Oh, it's so INTERESTING! I mean, I have no partisan wish one way or the other, but isn't it just FASCINATING to explore this complex legal issue? How COMPELLING it is to speculate as to what the outcome might be of this dramatic turn of events. How ENTHRALLING it feels to follow these completely legitimate developments. Oh!!! My tumescent member is just fully engorged with hot sticky INTEREST in this intellectual subject matter.

You may as well just go all out and start using "Some people claim" or "I know a lot of liberals who say" and lose all cerdibility whatsoever.

Oh wait.



If the long form ends out to not be one filled out by a hospital, then at the very least someone in Obama's family lied about where he was born, right? People usually lie to hide something. It should, at the very least, cast enough doubt as to the legitimacy of the information contained within to bring this up as a legal issue to be decided.


No.


That's really all I want.


Who gives a fuck what you want? The whole "birth certificate" thing has no legal standing. None. Zero. Zilch. None. Nada. It will never, ever, be "settled" in any way other than being thrown out of court, because, and this is key now, THAT'S WHAT THE LAW REQUIRES.

What you REALLY want is for a judge to make new law from the bench.

How INTERESTING.
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#166 Jul 16 2009 at 3:55 PM Rating: Default
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bsphil wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Evidence isn't sufficient to get a day in court
You have no evidence.


Other than a tape recording of his grandmother saying she witnessed his birth in Kenya, of course...

I'm curious what you think the word "evidence" means?
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#167 Jul 16 2009 at 4:02 PM Rating: Good
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tape recording of his grandmother saying she witnessed his birth in Kenya


His father? Yeah, that was great. I also enjoyed the part at the end of the tape recording where she mentions her grandson being born in Hawaii.

Christ, you're a sucker, huh? I mean, I've seen gullible before, BUT WOW.

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#168gbaji, Posted: Jul 16 2009 at 4:04 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) The law actually requires that he be a natural born citizen. What you're talking about is legal maneuvering to avoid an issue coming before the court.
#169 Jul 16 2009 at 4:11 PM Rating: Default
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tape recording of his grandmother saying she witnessed his birth in Kenya


His father? Yeah, that was great. I also enjoyed the part at the end of the tape recording where she mentions her grandson being born in Hawaii.

Christ, you're a sucker, huh? I mean, I've seen gullible before, BUT WOW.



Wow. You just lie when it suits you, don't you?

Unless you've managed to obtain a working knowledge of Swahili, you have no clue what she says "at the end of the tape". There are transcripts of this tape and interpreted versions. There is also an affidavit submitted to the Supreme Court by the guy who questioned her clearly stating what was said.

And for the record, what's at the end of the tape is one of Obama's cousins angrily telling his grandmother not to say anything else once he realizes that what she just said might hurt Obama politically and ending the interview. He's the one who then attempts to correct her by insisting that he was born in Hawaii. Clearly, he was savvy enough to realize that this was important to lie about, while his grandmother did not.


Now, maybe she was confused. But the guys who did this didn't do it out of thin air. They were reacting to several claims made previously by other people that the same grandmother had told them that Obama was born in Kenya. They went to check it out for themselves and document it. The important bit is that this was not the first time she had said this. This was just the first time someone specifically recorded the conversation so that it could be used as evidence.


And regardless of whether you think it's valid or not, it still counts as "evidence".
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#170 Jul 16 2009 at 4:26 PM Rating: Excellent
You know, maybe I'm confused here, but aren't the members of the military supposed to be serving their fellow Americans? They just happen to be under the command of the president by the way the Constitution set it up.

The reason people volunteer for the military has rarely, as far as I can recall, been cited as "to serve the President." Usually it's, "to get money for college" or "to make my parents proud" or "because I'm glad to be an American and this is how I can give back." Or in my mother's case, "because the convent was treating me like sh*t and I wasn't getting paid there."

So it seems silly to me that, "I refuse to follow orders because I don't like the CoC" would be a logical, or even acceptable, line of thought to the vast majority of solders. Most of the military folk I know have had a horrified reaction over this incident; you do not question orders, even when you disagree with them.

Signing up for the military to serve your country is signing away the part of you that was allowed to be insubordinate to authority. You can think whatever the hell you want. But you cannot act on it.

If he really didn't want to go to Afghanistan because he didn't believe OBama was fit to be CoC, he could have simply told the reserves he didn't want to go for personal reasons, and that would have been that. He could have signed up for a less onerous tour later on, and kept his DoD contractor job in the meantime.

Now he's out of the military, out of a job, and looking like the tool he is. Oh, with his IT certs he can get a job in the private sector even in today's crummy economy, but if I were a Director of IT I wouldn't want an insubordinate coward as a network admin in my department. Fortunately for him, there are probably a ton of IT departments out there run by conservatives who want to have the guy that gave the middle finger to Obama on board.

Edit: You do realize she's not even his biological grandmother?

Edited, Jul 16th 2009 8:28pm by catwho
#171 Jul 16 2009 at 4:32 PM Rating: Good
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Dear Gbaji,

Let's assume that you're right, and the Obama family set up a vast conspiracy to fly their newborn child hither and yon (I hear newborns are a lot of fun to fly with, and every mother likes to take them on a flight ASAP! I bet DSD can confirm this). I'd like you to answer some questions for me:

Since the short form is required to reflect the long form by law, how do you think the Obama family tricked some doctor into signing it?

Since the Obama family could have just applied for citizenship anyway, why would they have gone through all this work and lies just to have their son be a citizen?

Should Obama have been born in Kenya, why would he have a Hawaiian birth certificate at all? Can you provide proof that Hawai`i just loves to hold onto birth certificates from other countries and states?

Let's say it even goes as far as going to court and they find that, GASP~!, Hawai`i has a vast underground vault of non-Hawaiian birth certificates, and Obama's is right there!!! What would you like to happen? Is this just for playground stomping rights of "SEE! WE WERE RIGHT ALL ALONG! DAMN LIBERALS!"? Or are you panicked that Obama is actually doing well in office and at this rate may be re-elected next time around, so this is all you have to stand on?

Please, enlighten us.
#172 Jul 16 2009 at 4:42 PM Rating: Decent
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Signing up for the military to serve your country is signing away the part of you that was allowed to be insubordinate to authority. You can think whatever the hell you want. But you cannot act on it.


Smiley: dubious

I kind of thought that this absolute morality was tossed out at Nuremberg..
#173 Jul 16 2009 at 4:54 PM Rating: Decent
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Wow. You just lie when it suits you, don't you?


I'll bet you any amount of money you'd like that Sara Obama explicitly mentions the President (so as not to be confused with his father, or a brother etc) being born in Hawaii.

Unless you've managed to obtain a working knowledge of Swahili

I am fluent in Swahili. You may recall that my previous career placed a rather high value on language skills and provided free, and in some cases mandatory, training in same. Swahili is a trivially easy language to gain fluency in, and is spoken in Rwanda and Somalia as well as Kenya. Consider this before your knee jerk reaction of it being unlikely that I can speak it drives you to make a fool of yourself.

Also, so you're fully prepared for future idiocy, I fluently speak: German, French, Spanish, Arabic, (Persian) Farsi, (HK/Macau/Guangzhou) Cantonese, Japanese, Hindi, Urdu and Italian.

If you're lucky, maybe there will be a tape of Obama's Swedish nanny telling us how she raised him in Stockholm.


And regardless of whether you think it's valid or not, it still counts as "evidence".


Sure. It's just not evidence that supports the idea that Obama was born anywhere buy Hawaii.



Edited, Jul 16th 2009 8:55pm by Smasharoo
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#174 Jul 16 2009 at 5:06 PM Rating: Good
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I kind of thought that this absolute morality was tossed out at Nuremberg.


If he recused himself from going to Afghanistan because he thought Obama's direction in the country was killing too many innocent civilians, and sued to the government on the basis that what we were doing over there was genocide or wars crimes, then this would apply.

Instead, he refused to follow orders that he had given himself on the basis that time traveler liberals forged a document so that Obama could win the presidency in the present day and make us all socialists.

Damn those time traveling liberals! Smiley: motz
#175 Jul 16 2009 at 5:20 PM Rating: Decent
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If he recused himself from going to Afghanistan because he thought Obama's direction in the country was killing too many innocent civilians, and sued to the government on the basis that what we were doing over there was genocide or wars crimes, then this would apply.


Sure, I guess I can appreciate that difference.

You just made it sound quite absolute.
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