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#27 Jul 15 2009 at 9:15 AM Rating: Excellent
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Could it be that Hawaii is receiving a ridiculously large amount of the stimulus money

It could be, but it isn't. Hawaii falls smack in the middle of per capita stimulus spending. Given the high costs of everything in Hawaii, the actual value of that money is even lower.

Not only did Hawaii have to build a time machine to get this money, they're not even getting their money's worth!
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#28 Jul 15 2009 at 9:22 AM Rating: Decent
While I didn't take Varrus seriously before, threads like these make me take him even less seriously, if that's even possible.
#29 Jul 15 2009 at 9:29 AM Rating: Excellent
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Man you're stupid. Let's try this again. Current Hawaiian Democrat governor offers to keep Obama's birth certificate...

So you admit to the fact that their IS a birth certificate on record in Hawaii? You've proved his citizenship to me.
#30 Jul 15 2009 at 9:37 AM Rating: Good
Varrus isn't actually that stupid, he just assumes reality is as he wants it to be without looking, and then tries with little success to weasel his way out of it when he turns out to be wrong.
#31REDACTED, Posted: Jul 15 2009 at 10:01 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Kavek,
#32 Jul 15 2009 at 10:05 AM Rating: Good
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publiusvarus wrote:
Kavek,

The only way I could be proved wrong in this is if Obama actually allows Hawaii to unseal his birth certificate.


Wrong direction you're facing, amigo. The only way you'll be proven right is if some evidence comes out that he wasn't born in Hawaii. Right now there isn't any.

Right now you make unfounded statements that have no support.

I don't mind, you're entertaining to read!
#33 Jul 15 2009 at 10:07 AM Rating: Good
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Varus wrote:
Man you're stupid. Let's try this again. Current Hawaiian Democrat governor offers to keep Obama's birth certificate...

So you admit to the fact that their IS a birth certificate on record in Hawaii? You've proved his citizenship to me.
While Hawaii can't release the certificate, they did verify that it was there and followed all appropriate regulations and rules etc.
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#35 Jul 15 2009 at 10:23 AM Rating: Good
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#36 Jul 15 2009 at 10:31 AM Rating: Decent
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Right now you make unfounded statements that have no support.


Unfounded?

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WND also found on microfilm in the Honolulu downtown public library a notice published under the "Births, Marriages, Deaths" section of the Honolulu Sunday Advertiser for August 13, 1961, on page B-6, noting: "Mr. and Mrs. Barack II Obama. 6085 Kalanianaole-Hwy, son, Aug. 4."

In searching through the birth notices of the Honolulu Advertiser for 1961, WND found many birth notices were published between one and two weeks after the date of birth listed.

The notice in the Honolulu Advertiser does not list the hospital where the Obama son was born or the doctor who delivered the baby.

In a startling development, Obama's Kenyan grandmother has reportedly alleged she witnessed Obama's birth at the Coast Provincial Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya.


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In Kenya, WND was told by government authorities that all documents concerning Obama were under seal until after the U.S. presidential election on November 4.


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Although the Obama campaign could immediately put an end to all the challenges by simply producing the candidate's original birth certificate, it has not done so. And the "Fight the Smears" website offers no explanation as to why Obama has refused to request, and make public, an original hospital-generated birth certificate which the Hawaii Department of Health may possess.


http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=79174


Yeah... there's still no proof there. Let me RE-bold your quote (see above).

1. The many means nothing. So some aren't. AMAZING!
2. Obama's birth hospital isn't listed. Imagine what a controversary arises when mid-wifed babies or (like me) babies born in a vehicle try to get citizenship without a hospital published in a newspaper that "many times" shows birth notices.
3. Not only does Obama's grandma "reportedly" (not said who reported it or when) talk about his birth... but she merely "allege"s (not quoted for truth). Now that's sound journalism!
4. Obama documents were sealed. What documents? Right. We dunno. Because, hey, they could be something... or absolutely nothing.
5. There's the crux of your "proof." That everyone else but radical tinfoil-hatters are satisfied, and you have sour grapes because his campaign won't cater to you. Fantastic.

So again, yes, unfounded. There's nothing there but theory... and no evidence what so ever.
#37 Jul 15 2009 at 10:32 AM Rating: Decent
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LOLWND


I read this as "LOLPWND" first ;-)
#38 Jul 15 2009 at 10:43 AM Rating: Good
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WND is a rag. Actually, saying that is a disservice to rags which are useful implements for mopping spills, wiping your hands, cleaning paintbrushes and stuffing into the little hole when your gas cap goes missing. None of which are tasks WND is well suited for.
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#41 Jul 15 2009 at 10:57 AM Rating: Excellent
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publiusvarus wrote:
This issue is only satisfied to the kool-aid drinkers who are still hoping Obama is going to pay their mortgage by stealing from the producers.

Smiley: laugh

I love Varus's answers. They're like a Mad-Libs of conservative talking points.
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#42 Jul 15 2009 at 10:58 AM Rating: Good
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Why did he have Kenya seal any records of him?


Protip: Kenya is a sovereign nation.

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#43 Jul 15 2009 at 10:58 AM Rating: Good
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It's up to us to discern the truth by reading multiple rags.

Given that WND pretty much stands alone in this crusade (among media outlets, a title WND barely qualifies for), we may discern that it's run by nutcases and cranks.
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#44 Jul 15 2009 at 11:09 AM Rating: Decent
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publiusvarus wrote:
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5. There's the crux of your "proof." That everyone else but radical tinfoil-hatters are satisfied


There you go speaking for "everyone" again. If it's no big deal why doesn't he just unseal them? Why did he have Kenya seal any records of him? This issue is only satisfied to the kool-aid drinkers who are still hoping Obama is going to pay their mortgage by stealing from the producers.


No, I spoke for "everyone but." Because the entire government is satisfied with it, to the point that they don't think pressing the issue is important.
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#46 Jul 15 2009 at 11:37 AM Rating: Good
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Are they? Or is this another one of those instances where they all just say f*ck it and let it go because they don't want to be accused of being racist?

I'm betting it's liiibbeerraallllllll coonnnsspppirrraacccyyyy.....!!!!!
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#47 Jul 15 2009 at 12:02 PM Rating: Good
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publiusvarus wrote:
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Because the entire government is satisfied with it


Are they? Or is this another one of those instances where they all just say f*ck it and let it go because they don't want to be accused of being racist?


Let's think about it... if you had a leader you abhorred (and I'm sure many Republicans detest Obama), and were SO sure that you were right on something and could get him kicked out of office or at least so distracted in defending his position that he could accomplish nothing... would you do it? I'm thinking yes! No one has called him on his birth certificate because no one believes what you do. If they thought it was worth the fight, they'd fight. If they were called racist, all those allegations would be overturned if they were found out to be right!

But they don't.

So yes, the entire government is satisfied with it, to the point where they don't think pressing the issue is important.
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#50 Jul 15 2009 at 12:10 PM Rating: Excellent
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LockeColeMA wrote:
if you had a leader you abhorred (and I'm sure many Republicans detest Obama), and were SO sure that you were right on something and could get him kicked out of office or at least so distracted in defending his position that he could accomplish nothing... would you do it?

Dude! Didn't you know that Congress is controlled by the Democrats?! That means that no Republican congresscritter is capable of saying peep about Obama not being born in the US! The power of the Democrats has made them all mute!

Even worse, they weren't even able to bring it up prior to the election! It was like Democratic mindrays or something!!
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