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#227 Aug 17 2009 at 8:21 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
but out of a recognition that there is a gap between what the Constitution says, and the practice of electing Presidents..


Smiley: lol

Ok. Well since you don't want Biden to be president, and you have no evidence other than "But it IS so!", why don't you shut the fuck up and pressure your representatives to introduce a bill that makes all future presidents release a birth certificate?

#228 Aug 17 2009 at 8:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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Some of us disagree. How about we let the court decide?


Agreed. How many more times do they have to decide birthers are full of shit?

Seriously, give me a number. 5 more times? Would 5 more times be acceptable? Because it certainly seems like "until he's proven inelligable" is really the answer to that question & since that's never going to happen, it seems like some sort of "birther" related tort reform is the only way these frivilous lawsuits are going to stop.

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#229 Aug 18 2009 at 7:09 AM Rating: Excellent
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Gbaji wrote:
Some of us disagree. How about we let the court decide?

Agreed. How many more times do they have to decide birthers are full of shit?

But all of those times don't count!
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Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#230 Aug 18 2009 at 7:13 AM Rating: Good
gbaji wrote:
Some of us disagree. How about we let the court decide?


The court did decide. Back in December.

So we're good now, right? We can drop this idiocy?
#231 Aug 18 2009 at 9:00 AM Rating: Decent
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gbaji wrote:
Again. It's not about attacking Obama. Trust me. The last thing I want is for it to be discovered that he doesn't meet the qualifications. "President Biden" is pretty darn scary. Even saying it gives me the willies...

It's about determining exactly what documentation satisfies the constitutional requirement of "natural born citizen". More importantly, it's about defining a methodology for establishing said documentation prior to the election. So yeah. I think it's important to go through the steps of this thing instead of just ignoring it because we don't like the implications in this particular case.

So we can drop the Obama bullshit and concentrate on getting this done for the next election. Good call.
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#232 Aug 18 2009 at 9:17 AM Rating: Excellent
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If you haven't yet read the Salon article about Birther Standard Bearer Orly Taitz, I highly recommend it for the lulz.
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Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#233 Aug 18 2009 at 10:30 AM Rating: Good
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Clearly, Salon has used their partisan paintbrush to paint a pretty picture of Mrs. Taitz as a crazy woman, when in truth, she's a superhero fighting on behalf of liberty and justice.
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#234 Aug 18 2009 at 10:31 AM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
If you haven't yet read the Salon article about Birther Standard Bearer Orly Taitz, I highly recommend it for the lulz.

Smiley: eek
That's more scary than lulzworthy! The sad thing is, I think I might know some people who are like this about certain things (religion, JFK assassination theories, aliens).
#235REDACTED, Posted: Aug 18 2009 at 10:42 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) jft,
#236REDACTED, Posted: Aug 18 2009 at 10:44 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Anyone else see the irony in this discussion? Back when W was first elected all we heard from the MSM and every Democrat was how W stole the election. Of course that was a lie but it didn't stop them from claiming it. Now we have the birthers proclaiming Obama isn't legitimate because he isn't a natural born citizen, which Obama has never proved he was. The same results will occur.
#237 Aug 18 2009 at 10:59 AM Rating: Excellent
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publiusvarus wrote:
The same results will occur.

Obama in 2012?
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Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#238 Aug 18 2009 at 11:09 AM Rating: Good
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publiusvarus wrote:
Anyone else see the irony in this discussion? Back when W was first elected all we heard from the MSM and every Democrat was how W stole the election. Of course that was a lie but it didn't stop them from claiming it. Now we have the birthers proclaiming Obama isn't legitimate because he isn't a natural born citizen, which Obama has never proved he was. The same results will occur.


I didn't hear "stole the election," I heard "Gore won the popular vote but lost the electoral vote."

Which was, y'know, true.

Granted, back before 2000 I wasn't much into politics and didn't watch the news.
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I would have thought that being a nutcase was a prerequisite for doing military duty.


Thanks for providing a typical liberal view of the military.

jft's comment is very wrong. As a person with family on active duty over in Iraq, I find that tactless. I don't think this is a typical liberal view, however. A more accurate comment would be that war attracts certain types of individuals. Some, like my family members, joined for the benefits and because of a history of service. Others joined because they had no other prospects. However, I'd be lying if I didn't know some who joined just because they'd have the chance to shoot people. Saying the military consists solely of those types is totally wrong; saying that more violent folks are attracted to the military than other jobs would probably be accurate.

And that's to say nothing of the issues people have after being in combat and coming home.
#239 Aug 18 2009 at 11:17 AM Rating: Default
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Obama in 2012?


The only way Obama could loose in 2012 is if he passes anything close to this godawful healthcare bill.

#240 Aug 18 2009 at 11:49 AM Rating: Decent
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Loose?

I do not think that word means what you think it means.
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#241 Aug 18 2009 at 12:59 PM Rating: Decent
Debo,

Sue me for not proof reading. Lose...you ok now?

#242 Aug 18 2009 at 1:13 PM Rating: Decent
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publiusvarus wrote:
Debo,

Sue me for not proof reading. Lose...you ok now?



There's that stellar private school education shining through once again.

Have you figured out the the whole "12 a.m." and "12 p.m." thing yet?
#243 Aug 18 2009 at 1:15 PM Rating: Decent
Death,

Time is relative.

#244 Aug 18 2009 at 1:15 PM Rating: Decent
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publiusvarus wrote:
Debo,

Sue me for not proof reading. Lose...you ok now?

You also spelled my name wrong.
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we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
#245 Aug 18 2009 at 1:17 PM Rating: Good
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publiusvarus wrote:
Death,

Time is relative.



Thats why we came up with terms such as am. and pm.
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#246 Aug 18 2009 at 1:20 PM Rating: Default
Paula,

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Thats why we came up with terms such as am. and pm.


And i've evolved beyond that.
#247 Aug 18 2009 at 1:24 PM Rating: Good
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publiusvarus wrote:


And i've evolved beyond that.


I thought you didnt believe in evolution?
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#248 Aug 18 2009 at 1:33 PM Rating: Decent
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publiusvarus wrote:
Paula,

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Thats why we came up with terms such as am. and pm.


And i've evolved beyond that.

Ah, you use 24-hour time too? Good boy.
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we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
#249 Aug 18 2009 at 1:35 PM Rating: Default
Paula,

Social evolution

#250 Aug 18 2009 at 1:50 PM Rating: Decent
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Some of us disagree. How about we let the court decide?


The court did decide. Back in December.


The court decided that since Obama had not taken any action as President, no one could yet show harm as a result of him being president, and thus the plaintiff did not have standing to bring a case. That's not the same as saying the claim isn't valid. Until Obama took office, no case on this issue had standing, so in Joph's own words "they don't count".

There has not been a single ruling by any court as to whether or not Obama has shown sufficient proof of natural born citizenship status to meet the constitutional qualification to be President. And all the dancing around the issue does not change that fact. Those claiming he must do so have had cases dismissed for various other reasons, but those saying he does not need to, or he already has, have not won any cases either. The issue has not been decided.


Oh. And there have been and are at the moment proposed bills to define a legal process for doing this. I don't have to push for it. How many of you on the Left would support such a thing? After all, it's pretty much the Dems who keep blocking such legislation (and are doing so now). If this is the right solution, why is it being opposed?
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#251 Aug 18 2009 at 2:19 PM Rating: Decent
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Death,

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Pubis,


Wow, like, you're like, so totally, like, deep, ya know?
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