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#77 Jul 19 2009 at 4:17 AM Rating: Decent
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Patdic wrote:
Taxpayer funded healthcare... yeah ... so can we make smoking illegal for anyone on medicare/medicade?


There was actually a thread on something similar a while back. Smokers being disallowed government health care for lung cancer caused by their smoking.

I'm not really in favour of punishing smokers both finanically and physically for their habit, but I do maintain that it's one of the mostly stupidly unhealthy habits a person can have, and no smoker should ever pretend that they're different from the guy who drinks his liver into purple mush and the morbidly obese teenager who refuses to stop eating.

There's something logical in stopping soldiers, who are in a very physical line of work, from engaging in something likely to affect their health, but - let's be honest. They're soldiers. It's their job to engage in activities likely to affect their health, and most of the really terrible health consequences of smoking should only become apparent when they're much older. Banning cigarettes in the military is a waste of time. They should just reverse the practices that allow the military to sell cigarettes to soldiers at vastly reduced prices.

Edited, Jul 19th 2009 12:18pm by zepoodle
#78REDACTED, Posted: Jul 19 2009 at 1:43 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) 70 percent of the money spent on health care in this country is for cronic illness.
#79 Jul 19 2009 at 2:15 PM Rating: Good
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shadowrelm wrote:
ban it everywhere, not just the military. hell, a six pack is cheaper and i am sure they would enjoy it a whole lot more than a pack of smokes to "relax". for the cost of a carton of smokes you can tie on a hangover and buy a ***** for the night. maybe two depending on what country you are butchering people in at the moment.


You don't get it, do you?

You're a fool to drink in the military. Most of the kids aren't even past 21 anyway. You don't get a hand slap for drinking underage while in the military. You get your *** busted and NJP'd. Besides, one of the excuses they give about why smoking should be banned is detrimental effects to health. If that is the case, how the hell can you focus while drunk? Let alone, getting off around 8pm and waking up at 4:45am doesn't give you much time to rest off a hangover. :P Especially if you went drinking that night. (Which is why it's stupid to drink when you have work so early in the morn'. )#$(@)

*****'s are too expensive when you can just ***** the Navy women around base anyway (It's okay! They're consenting!). ('-'*) And after that night of whoredom, I want a cig. I want a cig for waking up so damn early, getting off so damn late, not getting to see my loved ones, and not going out to find a loved one. I also want a cig for all the people who feel like giving me a hard time throughout the day because they're so goddamned bored, because, like myself, they just want to go home. Or they're just bored. LOL.

There's a lot to it than just OMG IM GETTING SHOT AT. It's the constant stress that goes by with day to day activities. One might say not to sign up for these kinds of things if this is what's going to happen, but hey. It's a job. It's a job that pays, and it's a job with benefits. If people have to endure this kind of thing, let them smoke. It's their choice and their right to, anyway. If we're going to put ourselves on the front line and fight to "defend our country", you better damn well let us do what we want on our off time, considering most of the people in the US aren't doing anything but spouting their two cents of epic stupid anyway.
#80 Jul 19 2009 at 4:27 PM Rating: Decent
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There's a lot to it than just OMG IM GETTING SHOT AT. It's the constant stress that goes by with day to day activities. One might say not to sign up for these kinds of things if this is what's going to happen, but hey. It's a job. It's a job that pays, and it's a job with benefits. If people have to endure this kind of thing, let them smoke. It's their choice and their right to, anyway. If we're going to put ourselves on the front line and fight to "defend our country", you better damn well let us do what we want on our off time, considering most of the people in the US aren't doing anything but spouting their two cents of epic stupid anyway.

Try yoga instead.
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#81 Jul 19 2009 at 4:41 PM Rating: Good
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shadowrelm wrote:
70 percent of the money spent on health care in this country is for cronic illness.

the three illnesses that make up over 80 percent of that pool of cash are diabetes, smoking, and heart desease.

sooo, get all jiggy on people about sitting around and getting fat, like no health care for fat people, ban smoking of any kind, and we could potentialy lop off over 50 percent of that 70 percent of health care spending.

seriously, banning smoking is way over due. we all pay for it. my grandfather died from emphosyma from smoking all of his life, medicade paid for it. my grandmother died from the same illness 2 years later, she never smkoed a day in her life, it was from second hand smoke from grandad. again medicade paid for it. both of them had insurance but their insurance companies dropped them after they reached the 60k mark in medical expenses. my mom is now in her last couple years from the same thing and for the same reason. smoking. and again, medicade is going to pay for it.

why are we even arguing about it? tobacco products suck the life and the money out of all of us and has been for years. pot is safer. cocain and herroin kill less people and cost us less in health care for stupid people.

ban it everywhere, not just the military. hell, a six pack is cheaper and i am sure they would enjoy it a whole lot more than a pack of smokes to "relax". for the cost of a carton of smokes you can tie on a hangover and buy a ***** for the night. maybe two depending on what country you are butchering people in at the moment.


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#82 Jul 19 2009 at 6:14 PM Rating: Decent
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Dwarven whores?

Quick, somebody claim there are WMDs hidden under Erebor!
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#83 Jul 19 2009 at 7:26 PM Rating: Decent
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According to the study, tobacco use impairs military readiness in the short term.


What!?

It'll be a sad day when I can't get cheap beer and cigarettes on base ;_;

Edited, Jul 19th 2009 11:28pm by Yamadog
#84 Jul 19 2009 at 10:40 PM Rating: Decent
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SolanaDaChocobo wrote:
*****'s are too expensive when you can just ***** the Navy women around base anyway (It's okay! They're consenting!). ('-'*) And after that night of whoredom, I want a cig. I want a cig for waking up so damn early, getting off so damn late, not getting to see my loved ones, and not going out to find a loved one. I also want a cig for all the people who feel like giving me a hard time throughout the day because they're so goddamned bored, because, like myself, they just want to go home. Or they're just bored. LOL.


Wait a minute...you use cigarettes to salve the pain of being separated from your loved ones, but you spent the last night whoring? What does your girlfriend think?
#85 Jul 20 2009 at 12:22 AM Rating: Decent
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SolanaDaChocobo wrote:
*****'s are too expensive when you can just ***** the Navy women around base anyway (It's okay! They're consenting!). ('-'*) And after that night of whoredom, I want a cig. I want a cig for waking up so damn early, getting off so damn late, not getting to see my loved ones, and not going out to find a loved one. I also want a cig for all the people who feel like giving me a hard time throughout the day because they're so goddamned bored, because, like myself, they just want to go home. Or they're just bored. LOL.


You can always quit at the end of your enlistment. Then just maybe, you won't need to smoke so much!
#86 Jul 20 2009 at 12:39 AM Rating: Decent
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There's a lot to it than just OMG IM GETTING SHOT AT. It's the constant stress that goes by with day to day activities. One might say not to sign up for these kinds of things if this is what's going to happen, but hey. It's a job. It's a job that pays, and it's a job with benefits. If people have to endure this kind of thing, let them smoke. It's their choice and their right to, anyway. If we're going to put ourselves on the front line and fight to "defend our country", you better damn well let us do what we want on our off time, considering most of the people in the US aren't doing anything but spouting their two cents of epic stupid anyway.


We gave up our freedoms to protect the freedoms of others. We're U.S. Government property. If you don't like the policy of the DoD, then quit after your enlistment is up. You have to realize when you enter this life style, asshol*s are going micromanage your life.

Religious preference and sexual preference are about the only things the U.S. Government can not dictate or have a say in what you do.

I think service personnel should be aloud to smoke. There are more destructive activities service personnel can indulge in after all.

The only other women I met that are worse then NAVAHOES are female coasties btw. God bless them both ^^;

#87 Jul 20 2009 at 12:45 AM Rating: Decent
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zepoodle wrote:
SolanaDaChocobo wrote:
*****'s are too expensive when you can just ***** the Navy women around base anyway (It's okay! They're consenting!). ('-'*) And after that night of whoredom, I want a cig. I want a cig for waking up so damn early, getting off so damn late, not getting to see my loved ones, and not going out to find a loved one. I also want a cig for all the people who feel like giving me a hard time throughout the day because they're so goddamned bored, because, like myself, they just want to go home. Or they're just bored. LOL.


Wait a minute...you use cigarettes to salve the pain of being separated from your loved ones, but you spent the last night whoring? What does your girlfriend think?


Nonono hahaha. Back up.
Wasn't talking about me. I was talking about possibilities and giving examples. Hahaha! And a response to someone who was talking about buying a *****, or something as an alternative from money being saved by not smoking.

If we're talking about me, the best excuse I can give as to why I started picking up on smoking would be because of long stressful days of hard work and missing my loved ones. It's not something I do intentionally, it just happens. That's the excuse that follows along with it though. I personally would never pick up a *****. Gross.

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I could. I don't want to though. Believe it or not, despite the "stress" I was talking about, I still love what I do. There's just consequences to it. I'm just mad I can't bang my lover. >:[ Ffsdfsfsddfsh. RAEG. Don't miss the point of this though! Cigs shouldn't be b&. Teh endz.
#88 Jul 20 2009 at 3:50 AM Rating: Good
Perhaps they should make the US bases nonsmoking, but allow it off-base and on the field. That allows for people to nuke their lungs as they wish to destress under the most stressful situations (re: getting shot at) while at the same time allowing the DoD management to say "we don't condone this on US property."

Heh . . . my church was on-base when I was growing up, and our nun, Sister Dorothy, smoked like a chimney. (She died of lung cancer at the age of 50.)
#89 Jul 20 2009 at 5:56 AM Rating: Excellent
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70 percent of the money spent on health care in this country is for cronic illness.

the three illnesses that make up over 80 percent of that pool of cash are diabetes, smoking, and heart desease.


Without disputing your assertion that those are some expensive conditions, I think your stat is rectogenerated.

I'd like to see a cite on the first quoted statement, and I would like it to exclude end-of-life care.

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#90 Jul 20 2009 at 6:19 AM Rating: Decent
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70 percent of the money spent on health care in this country is for cronic illness.

the three illnesses that make up over 80 percent of that pool of cash are diabetes, smoking, and heart desease.


Smoking is not an illness. Do people just make this stuff up?
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#91 Jul 20 2009 at 8:21 AM Rating: Decent
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catwho the Mundane wrote:
Perhaps they should make the US bases nonsmoking, but allow it off-base and on the field. That allows for people to nuke their lungs as they wish to destress under the most stressful situations (re: getting shot at) while at the same time allowing the DoD management to say "we don't condone this on US property."

Heh . . . my church was on-base when I was growing up, and our nun, Sister Dorothy, smoked like a chimney. (She died of lung cancer at the age of 50.)


If it helps at all, there are normally designated smoke pits in certain areas of the base. At least, that's how it's been for the Marine Corps bases and the Navy ones that I've been to. I don't believe we can smoke elsewhere. SooOoOOo. Though, you have a valid idea.
#92 Jul 20 2009 at 9:37 PM Rating: Decent
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catwho the Mundane wrote:
Perhaps they should make the US bases nonsmoking, but allow it off-base and on the field.


What do they do when the base is under attack? Collapse into nicotine fits?
#93 Jul 20 2009 at 10:21 PM Rating: Good
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70 percent of the money spent on health care in this country is for cronic illness.

the three illnesses that make up over 80 percent of that pool of cash are diabetes, smoking, and heart desease.


Smoking is not an illness. Do people just make this stuff up?


I think it's safe to assume that shadowrelm meant the various comorbid conditions associated with smoking--asthma, emphysema, lung cancer, etc.

But then, shadowrelm being shadowrelm, I'm sure it's equally possible he's just talking nonsense.
#94 Jul 21 2009 at 6:20 AM Rating: Decent
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Elinda wrote:
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70 percent of the money spent on health care in this country is for cronic illness.

the three illnesses that make up over 80 percent of that pool of cash are diabetes, smoking, and heart desease.


Smoking is not an illness. Do people just make this stuff up?


I think it's safe to assume that shadowrelm meant the various comorbid conditions associated with smoking--asthma, emphysema, lung cancer, etc.
I never would have considered this.
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