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#1 Jul 12 2009 at 6:06 AM Rating: Good
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http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/12/military.smoking.ban/index.html

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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- You've seen the iconic picture of a soldier with a cigarette dangling from his mouth, but that could soon be a thing of the past.
The Pentagon is considering a ban on the sale and use of tobacco in the military.

The Pentagon is considering a ban on the sale and use of tobacco in the military.

A new study commissioned by the Pentagon and the Department of Veterans Affairs recommends a complete ban on tobacco, which would end tobacco sales on military bases and prohibit smoking by anyone in uniform, not even combat troops in the thick of battle.

According to the study, tobacco use impairs military readiness in the short term. Over the long term, it can cause serious health problems, including lung cancer and cardiovascular disease. The study also says smokeless tobacco use can lead to oral and pancreatic cancer.

The Defense Department's top health officials are studying the report's suggestions and will make recommendations to the Pentagon's policy team and Defense Secretary Robert Gates.

The study recommends phasing out tobacco products such as cigarettes and cigars over a five- to 10-year period.

However, the suggested ban does not sit well with many in uniform, including retired Gen. Russel Honore, best known for coordinating military relief efforts for Hurricane Katrina-affected areas with an ever-present stogie. He said soldiers at war need to puff.

"When you're tired and you've been going days on end with minimum sleep, and you are not getting the proper meals on time, that hit of tobacco can make a difference," said Honore, who was in charge of the Army's training programs before he retired.

Other soldiers questioned whether this was a good time to stamp out smoking, given the Army's concern with a high suicide rate.

"For some, unfortunately, they feel that smoking is their stress relief. Well if you take it away, what is the replacement?" said Sgt. 1st Class Gary Johnson.

The Pentagon supports the goal of a tobacco-free military, said spokeswoman Cynthia Smith.

"However, achieving that goal will depend on coincident reductions of tobacco use in the civilian population," she said.

Dr. Ken Kizer, the author of the study, found that civilians don't smoke as much as soldiers. One in three active duty soldiers smoke, he said, adding that among the general population, that number is less than one in five.

The Pentagon banned smoking in buildings on bases years ago. It has counselors on call to help service members quit. But while local governments have heavily taxed tobacco, the commissaries often sell it at deeply discounted prices.

"The military sends very mixed signals," Kizer said. "This is what's confusing to people."

The study found that profits from those tobacco sales -- $80 million to $90 million -- often pay for recreation and family programs on base.


I have a brother who is in the Marines, has been deployed a few times to both Afghanistan and Iraq, and smokes to help alleviate the stress he is under a lot of the times being in the military. And I can not see this sitting well with him or his comrades. I also can not blame them. While I know smoking is bad for you, having been a smoker I can completely relate to how it can help during stressful times and besides motherhood ( Smiley: wink ) being in the military is one of the most stressful careers to be in, most especially during wartime. Add in being deployed to a war zone where there is a higher chance of death or injury and the stress is unimaginable. Now imagine being told you cant have your stress reliever.

I could understand if they were banning something illegal such as pot or hardcore drugs. But not for something any of us can walk to the nearest convenient store and buy for a few bucks.

Do you think the govt is in the right and this is a good idea for our soldiers? Or do you think it could cause even more potential harm by taking away something that (while unhealthy) does help a lot of soldiers through their toughest moments?
#2 Jul 12 2009 at 6:28 AM Rating: Good
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Lady DSD wrote:
Do you think the govt is in the right and this is a good idea for our soldiers? Or do you think it could cause even more potential harm by taking away something that (while unhealthy) does help a lot of soldiers through their toughest moments?


I'm not sure. If I knew what they meant by the statement
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According to the study, tobacco use impairs military readiness in the short term.


I'd be more able to decide. As a non smoker, either way, I'm probably biased.
#3 Jul 12 2009 at 6:31 AM Rating: Good
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I'm not sure. If I knew what they meant by the statement
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According to the study, tobacco use impairs military readiness in the short term.


Hold on, let me finish this cigarette, then I'll shoot the enemy coming towards us!
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#4 Jul 12 2009 at 6:38 AM Rating: Good
Well, perhaps some of the argument also comes in with the fact that soldiers are guaranteed taxpayer healthcare for life, and as such, should really not do things that are proven to increase the risk of cancer.

But, eh, I think it's more that some units were probably demanding a five minute smoke break once an hour even while they were in a war zone.
#5 Jul 12 2009 at 6:41 AM Rating: Decent
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Smoking's stupid, but I don't see the point of banning it in the military. Are they really that concerned with the long-term health issues? If the soldier is still service ten or twenty years down the track when he's dying of cancer, he's probably a head and shoulders above the rest because he gave ten to twenty years of his life working in the military.

It mentioned that commissaries sell it at discounts. If I was aiming to reduce on-base smoking I'd just remove the discounts.

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Well, perhaps some of the argument also comes in with the fact that soldiers are guaranteed taxpayer healthcare for life, and as such, should really not do things that are proven to increase the risk of cancer.


OK, that makes more sense.

Edited, Jul 12th 2009 2:41pm by zepoodle
#6 Jul 12 2009 at 7:12 AM Rating: Decent
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This will help turn our servicemen into the ruthless, cold-blooded killers they need to be.

Except they will be killing everyone around them, in the barracks, at home, on leave, etc. My brother-in-law is on Wellbutrin and still smokes (he's en route to a stint in South Korea for 13 months).
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Well, perhaps some of the argument also comes in with the fact that soldiers are guaranteed taxpayer healthcare for life


Hahahahahahahahaha. Ahh. "Taxpayer healthcare", good one.



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#8 Jul 12 2009 at 8:38 AM Rating: Good
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smokes to help alleviate the stress he is under a lot of the times being in the military.

Tell him to ********** instead.
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#9 Jul 12 2009 at 9:00 AM Rating: Good
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smokes to help alleviate the stress he is under a lot of the times being in the military.

Tell him to ********** instead.


Oh I'm pretty sure he does that too Smiley: laugh
#10 Jul 12 2009 at 9:11 AM Rating: Excellent
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Sarge: Let's roll out! move it!
Private: BRB, gotta buy cigs.

Yeah, I dunno. "Don't smoke 'em if ya got 'em" just doesn't have the same ring.

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#11 Jul 12 2009 at 9:15 AM Rating: Good
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having been a smoker


Been?

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#12 Jul 12 2009 at 9:18 AM Rating: Good
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Shurrup you

Edited, Jul 12th 2009 1:18pm by DSD
#13 Jul 12 2009 at 10:08 AM Rating: Excellent
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Well, perhaps some of the argument also comes in with the fact that soldiers are guaranteed taxpayer healthcare for life,


They are? Well holy ****! And here I am actually paying for my healtcare. Tell me, who do I call to get my free taxpayer healthcare for life, I've got my discharge papers right here, who do I call?
#14 Jul 12 2009 at 10:48 AM Rating: Decent
I've known a lot of guys who wouldn't have made it back from war in one piece if they didn't have simple vice like cigarettes to get them through the hard times. The idea of banning the military use of cigarettes is ******* stupid and will only result in an internal "black market" trade on the battlefield. Honestly, what are you gonna tell the guy who comes back from just nearly getting his head blown off that smells like smoke?

"Sorry about the shrapnel in your neck, but we're going to have to dishonorably discharge you for that smoking, son."
#15 Jul 12 2009 at 10:51 AM Rating: Good
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Ok, so, maybe I'm coming at this from a weird perspective since I grew up on an army base and once a month we were required to play bingo with the veterans down at the VA hospital . . . so are all veterans not guaranteed healthcare for life? Is it only if they're wounded in combat, or if they serve 20 years, or something? Enlighten me here, we all could use some schooling in that case.
#16 Jul 12 2009 at 11:15 AM Rating: Good
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I don't care what the motive, I think it's stupid. There's a reason why the image of a soldier with a cigarette is iconic. Even if the "free taxpayer healthcare" thing were true, I'm sure we'd be spending exponentially more on psychological treatment (than we already do) for the poor kids who have to go through this, AND quit their most addictive vice.

I doubt any soldiers are dumb enough to light up during any sort of traumatic event, and even if they did have a *** in their mouth right before something exploded, tossing it on the ground and snuffing it out takes all of 1 second. Of all the things they do to our poor soldiers, this one would rank right near the top as one of the most cruel and unusual.

You may find me biased as a smoker myself, but people who have never picked up the habit need to look past their high and mighty stance of moral superiority and realize that pretty much everyone has harmful vices, be it smoking, food, or booze.
#17 Jul 12 2009 at 11:46 AM Rating: Decent
Yeah, but most of my vices don't make me ask for a 5 minute break every hour at work so I can go take care of them.
#18 Jul 12 2009 at 12:08 PM Rating: Good
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catwho the Mundane wrote:
Yeah, but most of my vices don't make me ask for a 5 minute break every hour at work so I can go take care of them.


Out of all the vices that a soldier would have available to them, smoking is probaly the safest and the one which would have the least negative effect on combat performance.
#19 Jul 12 2009 at 12:14 PM Rating: Decent
Dunno, someone addicted to sudoku puzzles is probably safer and healthier.

Compared to drinking, drugs, and **** addictions though, you have a point.
#20 Jul 12 2009 at 12:15 PM Rating: Good
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catwho the Mundane wrote:
Yeah, but most of my vices don't make me ask for a 5 minute break every hour at work so I can go take care of them.


Out of all the vices that a soldier would have available to them, smoking is probaly the safest and the one which would have the least negative effect on combat performance.


What about an addiction to killing?
#21 Jul 12 2009 at 12:28 PM Rating: Good
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Dunno, someone addicted to sudoku puzzles is probably safer and healthier.

Compared to drinking, drugs, and **** addictions though, you have a point.


I dunno, could you imagine hauling a solider off for combat when he's only halfway through a suduko puzzle? That might not be a good idea
#22 Jul 12 2009 at 1:25 PM Rating: Good
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Being in the military is more hazardous and causes more health problems than smoking.

My uncle died of cardiac arrest. He was career Army. He was in Korea and Viet Nam, he flew helicopters. He was shot down several times and as a result of his injuries (mostly the broken bones) he had arthritis from his jaws to his toes. He could barely walk there at the end. He was in constant pain and strung out on pain killers. The VA hospital didn't monitor his meds as closely as they should have and the meds weakened his heart.

Let 'em have their cigarettes. There's a lot more to worry about than a smoke break.
#23 Jul 12 2009 at 1:58 PM Rating: Decent
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Christ.

Hope noone actually believes that people in the Armed Forces ask for five minute breaks.

There's enough breaks in the day to light up as many cigs in the day as possible.

Here's the thing though. Being in the military is a stressful thing. Cigs are a quick fix in that stress. Not just in battle, but as an every day thing. These are mostly young men and women we're talking about.

I won't lie. I smoke as well, but what the hell. This is the first I hear of this. Hahaha. Either way, it's going to suck. I don't think they should take the cigs away. Every thing that we do is a health risk, so why target cigs? I think this is a ploy. Dohohoho.

Besides. I don't hear about anyone that gets hospitalized or anything due to smoking. I'm sure there is, but not enough for me to know. Taek teh cigz b 4 teh helth riskz. Lame.
#24 Jul 12 2009 at 2:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm just picturing hundreds of thousands of heavily armed people quitting smoking at the same time.

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#25 Jul 12 2009 at 3:20 PM Rating: Decent
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Can't speak for the US army, but in the Finnish army smoking is almost universal - at least among the conscripts. At least over half the people smoke, most only during the 6-12 months they serve. Didn't care for it personally, though.

I don't agree at all with banning it, because it is one of the few ways to relieve stress in the military. US servicemen need it more than a lot of people, especially at a time like this.
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catwho the Mundane wrote:
Yeah, but most of my vices don't make me ask for a 5 minute break every hour at work so I can go take care of them.


Smoking never makes me ask for a break. I get two 15 minute breaks and an hour lunch at work, so I never go more than 2 hours without a cigarette, and that's time that is GIVEN to me. I'm sure that there are very few soldiers out there who say to their officers "brb, need a smoke" during critical moments. I don't think you really understand, at all.

I know plenty of people who can't go more than an hour at work without shoving their face with a bag of doritos or drinking a 20oz soda. Oh and hey, guess what, that **** has health repercussions, too. But I guess since 66% of people are fat now, and less than 20% of us smoke (as stated in the article), the majority wins.
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