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So do we have a compromise? No smokers or obese people qualify for govn healthcare and i'll support it.

Nevermind the fact that less than 5% of the population (homosexuals) account for nearly 80% of the aids cases. In my opinion homosexuality represents a health hazard therefore it is incumbent on the govn to not recognize such hazardous behaviour.

Your 70% (80% in this thread) figure is radically inaccurate using CDC data. The majority of the following number crunching comes from the following tables: http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillance/basic.htm#exposure

16,749 cases out of a total 34,271 cases in 2007 were from MSM. This is 49% of the cases. I'm going to project this 49% to the 468,578 people who are "currently living with AIDS" as of 2007. That gives 224,917 people with AIDS solely from MSM.

The fastest site I found with U.S. population in 2007 is http://www.prb.org/pdf07/07WPDS_Eng.pdf. This gives the U.S. a population of 302 million. 4% of that number is 12,080,000 people.

Out of all gay people given the percentage you chose, approx. 1.08% of them have AIDS.

I'm aware this isn't the best reasoning. In addition, you probably meant to discuss transfer of HIV rather than cases of AIDS. Franky, if you don't care to know the difference, I don't care to do the math for that as well. The point is still there. AIDS and HIV are not running amok among gay people. Very, very few people with respect to the entire U.S. population have AIDS/are infected with HIV. Very, very few gay people with respect to the entire homosexual U.S. population have AIDS/are infected with HIV.

I know it's fun to thrown numbers like 4% and 70% around without having any idea what you're talking about. Unfortunately some simple math and research shows your premise as drastically faulty. Give it up already. Find a different one.



HIV is also more likely to spread from male to female than female to male. Probably has something to do with *****. Maybe we should mandate men to store sperm at the tender age of 15, and then castrate them to save the world a lot of trouble.



Tell that to Haiti.



Any sex has a direct connection with the spread of HIV. Your thought process goes haywire from "People who have sex without knowing if their partner is HIV+ are likely to get HIV." to "1.08% OF THE GAY POPULATION HAS AIDS. AND IT ACCOUNTS FOR 48% OF ALL AIDS CASES. THEREFORE GAY SEX SPREADS HIV."

No. Not at all. If anything, getting married would encourage homosexual couples to stay monogamous, thus decreasing the chance of one of them getting a partner who is HIV+.

Paula,



Draw the line at people who smoke and are obese. These two characteristics place more stress on our current healthcare system than all other factors combined and then some.

Why should someone who made the choice to be healthy and live a healthy lifestyle be forced to pay for someone who hasn't?

Varus, You are currently paying for these people. You are paying more for these people then other countries such as the UK and Canada who have government run health care coverage systems. You are paying more as a percentage of GDP.

Even with your insurance system, you're paying for these people. So in the US not only does the government spend way more on health care then other countries, because it's such a horrible system, the individuals also have to pay more.

I cannot accept a system where a medical emergency could financially bankrupt you.

Samy,



And the point was bs to begin with. Ask anyone who needs serious medical care where they're going to get it. It sure as h*ll isn't UK, France, or Canada.