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#102 Jul 13 2009 at 11:36 AM Rating: Default
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He is merely proving that what they thought and what you think they thought are quite different.


On the contrary. What I think and what they believed are similar. We both value freedom and libery; something quite foreign to most Democrats, and people in general today.

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We both value freedom and libery; something quite foreign to most Democrats, and people in general today.

Jefferson was a Democrat Smiley: grin
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#104 Jul 13 2009 at 11:49 AM Rating: Default
Jophed,

Bit of a difference from a Jefferson Democrat to an Obama one.

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Bit of a difference from a Jefferson Democrat to an Obama one.

They both sleep with black women!
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#106 Jul 13 2009 at 11:57 AM Rating: Decent
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On the other hand principles of freedom and liberty are timeless. We havn't had to start over because the yankee federalists refused to allow southern patriots their constitutional right to secede from an oppressive "republic".


It wouldn't be any @#%^ing different you dumbass.

Many of our individual states are simply small countries; we aren't officially States because we all are in league with one another, for a lot of reasons. Anyways: You'd still have a federal government, which is your new nation States, names changed, etc. but you're a goddamned fool if you believe that your governor is any more competent at giving freedom to every citizen of his Republic than the President is with theirs.

The only thing you're going to get by breaking off is to render most nations within the country their own nation states, whereas now we have a lot of nations under a single nation state...

What will happen? ob will rule, and if you are living in the wrong place at the wrong time and the new state government decided that it does not like you for being gay, you might as well just kill yourself and save the time.

Caring for the rights of minorities is integral in a just government. emove the spectre of the feds and you have another spectre of the feds which is just a thousand times less diverse and thoughtful.

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Oh and ***** I swear to god if you get someone governor riled up enough in TN to start a civil war and succession starts, and then and my entire city gets burned to the ground again and the end of it? I will find your house and nuke it from orbit using my low orbit ion cannon, which I purchased from the local wall mart, part in thats to your wonderful new armament policy.

Edited, Jul 13th 2009 4:45pm by Pensive
#107 Jul 13 2009 at 11:58 AM Rating: Decent
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Jophed,

Bit of a difference from a Jefferson Democrat to an Obama one.



More intentional irony here varus?
#108REDACTED, Posted: Jul 13 2009 at 1:23 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You know parroting rumours doesn't make them true. I bet you think you were being witty. Maybe next time.
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I bet you think you were being witty. Maybe next time.

Awww... now I'm all sad Smiley: frown


I did like Varus's random Britishification of the word "rumor", though. Nobby would be proud!

Edited, Jul 13th 2009 5:40pm by Jophiel
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#110 Jul 13 2009 at 3:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Varus man, I'm offering you an olive branch hear... I thought you would get it...

My entire city burned to the ground, hundreds of years ago for trying to defend himself, which in my opinion, incorrigible violence deserves war crimes trials. Even vicariously, I suppress a part of me that really, really does not like yankees... and somehow, I don't spout that out as a general opinion.

It's best to let ancient grudges go varus. You bring them back an you're not going to have a confederation of states; you're going to have a bunch of really angry people racially and culturally motivated to fuck up the bogeyman of the north.

huh...

Kinda reminds me of the slavery reparations.

Edited, Jul 13th 2009 7:22pm by Pensive
#111 Jul 13 2009 at 4:00 PM Rating: Decent
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publiusvarus wrote:
I bet you think you were being witty. Maybe next time.

Awww... now I'm all sad Smiley: frown


I thought you were being rather witty.

You special snowflake, you.
#112 Jul 13 2009 at 4:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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So we should allow all kinds of arms, then? Including, say, nukes?


Yes, Damn it!
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#113 Jul 14 2009 at 8:08 AM Rating: Excellent
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Kavekk wrote:
So we should allow all kinds of arms, then? Including, say, nukes?


Yes, Damn it!


I want to go squirrel hunting with depleted uranium rounds fired out of hand-cranked, wagon-mounted gatling cannon operated by a bear dressed like a valet riding a unicycle.

It's my goddamn right as an American.
#114REDACTED, Posted: Jul 14 2009 at 8:10 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) It's all fun and games until an angry mob of minorities start rioting.
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It's all fun and games until an angry mob of minorities start rioting.


At which point you need automatic weapons to bring the fun back.

Or a nice hat.
#116REDACTED, Posted: Jul 14 2009 at 8:25 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) CBD,
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At which point you rid the world of the scum that riots. H*ll probably saving the govn a life of paying for their welfare as well, it's a win win.


My hats are very well-to-do, thank you very much.
#118 Jul 14 2009 at 9:56 AM Rating: Excellent
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How they regard it is fairly irrelevant since the Supreme Court's decision in the DC gun ban case that it is an individual right. The majority didn't read it as a qualifying phrase.

You do realise that four (4) of the justices dissented, right? That means 4 of the top legal minds on the planet were NOT convinced that the 2nd amendment is to be interpreted as an individuals right to keep and bear arms (of all kinds, for any purpose). Okay, technically they are more concerned with the "infringement" issue, as in what purposes can regulation be applied to arms.

SCotUS dissenting opinion written by Justice Stevens wrote:
The question presented by this case is not whether the Second Amendment protects a “collective right” or an“individual right.” Surely it protects a right that can be enforced by individuals. But a conclusion that the Second Amendment protects an individual right does not tell us anything about the scope of that right. Guns are used to hunt, for self-defense, to commit crimes, for sporting activities, and to perform military duties. The Second Amendment plainly does not protect the right to use a gun to rob a bank; it is equally clear that it does encompass the right to use weapons for certain military purposes. Whether it also protects the right to possess and use guns for nonmilitary purposes like hunting and personal self-defense is the question presented by this case. The text of the Amendment, its history, and our decision in United States v. Miller, 307 U. S. 174 (1939), provide a clear answer to that question.
The Second Amendment was adopted to protect the right of the people of each of the several States to maintain a well-regulated militia. It was a response to concerns raised during the ratification of the Constitution that the power of Congress to disarm the state militias and create a national standing army posed an intolerable threat to the sovereignty of the several States. Neither the text of the Amendment nor the arguments advanced by its proponents evidenced the slightest interest in limiting any legislature’s authority to regulate private civilian uses of firearms. Specifically, there is no indication that the Framers of the Amendment intended to enshrine the common-law right of self-defense in the Constitution.

That seems reasonable to me.
#119 Jul 14 2009 at 10:56 AM Rating: Decent
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You do realise that four (4) of the justices dissented, right? That means 4 of the top legal minds on the planet were NOT convinced that the 2nd amendment is to be interpreted as an individuals right to keep and bear arms (of all kinds, for any purpose). Okay, technically they are more concerned with the "infringement" issue, as in what purposes can regulation be applied to arms.


And how many dissented with the decision in Roe v. Wade? Does that give it any less precedential value?
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And how many dissented with the decision in Roe v. Wade?

Roe v Wade was decided 7-2
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Does that give it any less precedential value?

I suppose one would argue the opposite if this was the road they were going down.
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#121 Jul 14 2009 at 11:18 AM Rating: Decent
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The answer is, no matter how many are in the majority, the decision is the supreme law of the land.
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Well, you picked a poor case to make your point.
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#123 Jul 14 2009 at 11:32 AM Rating: Excellent
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The only problem with the DC gun ban was that it was too broad. If had been more specific/limited it would have stood, just like all the roadblocks/restrictions that make getting an abortion almost impossible in most Southern states.

Many states are not out-right banning abortion, just putting in mandatory 24 hour wating periods and doctor consultation and any number of ways to make it hard to get an abortion or run a clinic. These restrictions have withstood court challenges for the most part.

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#125 Jul 14 2009 at 8:21 PM Rating: Default
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So varrus, it would have been better if the situation had ended up with a bunch of kids dead?

And you just know that after that, people would want revenge, and so the gangs would start carrying guns. If it was gang related, the guy and likely his family would be killed.

you eventual outcome is death for a whole bunch of people, and probably more deadly violence in the future. How is this in any way good? This situation absolutely needs to be dealt with, but gunning down people isn't a solution.
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You make it sound like "the greater good" is better than your own family's personal protection... Quite frankly, I care more about my loved ones than I do about people who choose to be violent getting mad that I defended myself, and then in turn become more violent.


Also, I'm sure at least one person in the mob had a pistol. Had the family defended themselves with a firearm, there would be dead black and white people. That's a risk I'd take, as opposed to just standing there and getting beat to death. Just because nobody died this time, doesn't mean you curl up in a ball and get the crap kicked out of you.
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You make it sound like "the greater good" is better than your own family's personal protection.

From a societal standpoint? Absolutely. Personally? Of course not. This is why we don't have individual people with threatened families making these decisions.

Hence the term: "greater good". You know... beyond you and your immediate interests.
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