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#52 Jul 09 2009 at 12:18 PM Rating: Good
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Perhaps this will help you Varus,

Cruise missiles are also not used for civilian self defense.

Do you know why?

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So you need to carry around ammo magazines that have at least 50 bullets at all times too? If only everyone could shoot automatics like Rambo.


Actually, with the accuracy of automatics you'd probably need roughly 500 rounds.

Edited, Jul 9th 2009 4:19pm by Timelordwho
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#53 Jul 09 2009 at 12:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Then again we're all assuming a couple of fired shots will disperse any angry mob. What if it doesn't and you have to drop 50 people to stay alive?
I would imagine them all to be Varus. This would give me provide me the initative to battle them all in hand-to-hand combat (POW!).

Varus - you troll. Smiley: glare
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#54 Jul 09 2009 at 12:27 PM Rating: Excellent
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Shotguns are for hunting. You fire off a couple of shots then you have to reload. That's assuming you have more shells on you. I'd be more inclined to use a magnum. Sounds like a cannon and puts big holes in sh*t.

Then again we're all assuming a couple of fired shots will disperse any angry mob. What if it doesn't and you have to drop 50 people to stay alive?


If 50 random unarmed teenagers are continuing to assault you while you are blowing people away with a shotgun, then I doubt you are in a place with any functional rule of law and thus whether the weaponry is banned is irrelevant.


Maybe they were zombies. Didja think about that? Huh?

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#55 Jul 09 2009 at 12:29 PM Rating: Decent
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Well, a side issue here is that even if this guy did own an automatic rifle, the chances are very good that he would not have had it with him when he strolled down the street to visit his friend.

This situation arose very quickly from the sound of it - they didn't have time, or didn't react in time, to get inside the house, for example. Why would he have had his gun with him, locked and loaded? He wouldn't - he was caught off guard.



That's one of the reasons I'm divided (rather than opposed) on conceal carry permits.

It's not easy to shove a shotgun in your pants and transport the thing everywhere, even sawed off I mean come on, how are you gonna sit through a business meeting comfortably?

Small holdout pistol concealed is nice for a responsible person... just well, the responsible thing is the rub.

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I'd be more inclined to use a magnum. Sounds like a cannon and puts big holes in sh*t.


You aren't going to hit anything with a hand cannon unless you're well practiced and calm. Unless you're using a slug, the shotgun is going to be much more practical for an average dude/lady who is protecting a home, who practices with the thing maybe twice a year...

Edited, Jul 9th 2009 4:33pm by Pensive
#56 Jul 09 2009 at 1:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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What if it doesn't and you have to drop 50 people to stay alive?

Are you from this planet? How many of those 50 do you think will hang around to be shot even if he starts shooting with a small pistol?

And how much ammo do you think it takes even a trained soldier to down 50 people in a situation of pressure? A civilian will pump hundreds of rounds into the neighbourhood before hitting those 50, especially with an automatic weapon. You've watched too many John Woo films.Smiley: rolleyes

Edited, Jul 9th 2009 11:43pm by Turicus
#57 Jul 09 2009 at 2:47 PM Rating: Good
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Of course you still ban automatic weapons =/

Weapons can make a bad situation a hell of alot worse, more times then they make it better. If one side of a conflict can legally have guns, then so will the other side Smiley: rolleyes

However, I do feel that a confrontation in the article should be classified as a racial hate crime.

Racial hate is not just whites being racists towards blacks, it works both ways imo.
#58 Jul 09 2009 at 7:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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Maybe they were zombies. Didja think about that? Huh?


Yep, I filed that under:

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I doubt you are in a place with any functional rule of law and thus whether the weaponry is banned is irrelevant.


I guess I left out the special case where the zombies are civilized and are politely asking if they can consume your brains, but never your eyes.
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#60 Jul 10 2009 at 12:35 AM Rating: Decent
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Once again, this is what shotguns are for.


Shotguns are for hunting. You fire off a couple of shots then you have to reload.
I figure nine shots to be enough to sufficiently wound a group of 50 people.
#61 Jul 10 2009 at 3:36 AM Rating: Decent
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Once again, this is what shotguns are for.


Shotguns are for hunting. You fire off a couple of shots then you have to reload.
I figure nine shots to be enough to sufficiently wound a group of 50 people.



Beat me to it.






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People that roam in gangs are cowards. A few shots fired into the mob and they will disperse.


When people are shooting at varus I hope he stands his ground.
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publiusvarus wrote:
People that roam in gangs are cowards. A few shots fired into the mob and they will disperse.


When people are shooting at varus I hope he stands his ground.


Also, Varrus doesn't seem all that familiar with gangs. I wouldn't go toe to toe with a person in a gang who often has a whole lot less to lose than I do and more social expectations around violence. And more experience shooting people.


On a sidenote, I've studied about certain parts of the country with really severe issues. It's not as bad in Boston as it is in LA or Chicago. I've always heard that there are places in Chicago that are rough and incredibly violent--though I wonder if anything has changed regarding gangs since the Cabrini Green and the other older projects were torn down--whether any intervention has been helpful.

Maybe Joph is in a gang. They are called The Pierogies.



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#66 Jul 10 2009 at 9:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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Best hope they're not firing automatics, then.

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I wonder if anything has changed regarding gangs since the Cabrini Green and the other older projects were torn down
Spread them around the city and outlying areas, mostly. The South Side is still the bad side but you have block-by-block changes throughout the city.

There's still public housing (and more being built) although the "large building" model has shifted to smaller units, often with a patch of grass and a tree. Those are photos of Altgeld Gardens which is under major rennovation. I assume the idea is to (A) reduce the concentration of people and (B) give people some sort of "ownership" on their patch of real estate rather than feel like you have no investment in the giant concrete building you're in.

This is what's now standing where Cabrini Green once stood. I suppse the definition of "excitment of the city at your doorstep" has slightly changed as well. Smiley: laugh

That's a pretty neat Flickr account, by the way.

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#68 Jul 10 2009 at 12:47 PM Rating: Good
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Shotguns are for hunting. You fire off a couple of shots then you have to reload. That's assuming you have more shells on you. I'd be more inclined to use a magnum. Sounds like a cannon and puts big holes in sh*t.

Then again we're all assuming a couple of fired shots will disperse any angry mob. What if it doesn't and you have to drop 50 people to stay alive?


If 50 random unarmed teenagers are continuing to assault you while you are blowing people away with a shotgun, then I doubt you are in a place with any functional rule of law and thus whether the weaponry is banned is irrelevant.


Either that or you're in a zombie-infested George Romero movie. Since they're all black it would be called Affirmative Action of the Dead.
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Since they're all black it would be called Affirmative Action of the Dead.


Oh, lawd. Smiley: laugh



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#70 Jul 10 2009 at 1:14 PM Rating: Decent
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Another bunch of stupid kids. I'd even call this monumentally stupid.

I'd classify this as a hate crime, they were certainly targeting these folks on the basis of their race, and I doubt he was going around shouting epithets.

If they do catch them, then I'd hope they throw the book at them, as they should for any of these idiots, race notwithstanding.
#71 Jul 11 2009 at 7:59 AM Rating: Decent
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This is why you don't let midwesterners gather in groups larger than 10.


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#72 Jul 11 2009 at 9:36 AM Rating: Good
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Shotguns are for hunting. You fire off a couple of shots then you have to reload. That's assuming you have more shells on you. I'd be more inclined to use a magnum. Sounds like a cannon and puts big holes in sh*t.

Then again we're all assuming a couple of fired shots will disperse any angry mob. What if it doesn't and you have to drop 50 people to stay alive?


If 50 random unarmed teenagers are continuing to assault you while you are blowing people away with a shotgun, then I doubt you are in a place with any functional rule of law and thus whether the weaponry is banned is irrelevant.


Either that or you're in a zombie-infested George Romero movie. Since they're all black it would be called Affirmative Action of the Dead.


The only problem there is that the hero, Varus, is white, which means you can't make a ****** video game tie-in without being accused of racism.
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Someone make a sockpuppet called automatic weapons so I can ban it to annoy varus.
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#74 Jul 12 2009 at 3:03 PM Rating: Excellent
Someone called?
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