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I had written a long post in response to paulsol's statement about how he couldn't decide which was worse, people killing other people's kids or people using their kids to kill other people and themselves.


No. You misunderstand me. Killing people is always wrong. Period.


It was about war has never been fair and people have always committed atrocities believing they were doing the right thing.

Well I'm sure that would have been a hugely interesting read, Captain Obvious.


It ended with me saying how nothing short of a miraculous worldwide group hug and a promise to be excellent to each other would put an end to it.

Bill and Ted I assume.

And, do you really lack have the mental capacity (rhetorical question) to see that, somewhere between blowing people up (using whatever method you choose) and everyone skipping around holding hands and handing out flowers and beads to each other, there are a multitude of options?, Contrary to Mr bush's and your belief, the world is not good or evil, black or white, but a myriad of shades of grey and should be approached as such. Anything less is crass.


But then I realized that posting it would have put me on the same high-moral pedestal that paulsol puts himself on, reducing my post to nothing more than a long winded diatribe that ends with the pot calling the kettle black.

Do what the fuck you like. But I'm happy to have an opinion formed from experience and observation than one formed from some sort of moral herd induced superiority complex that lets me believe that my governments random killing of foreigners in their own country is going to have a positive effect on the world around me, and because its my govt. ordering the killing, that it is somehow more justified and noble.

So @#%^ it... the next time the neighbor's kids are messing around in my yard they're getting tazed.

Very enlightened of you.

You guys have horribly sick senses of humor but for some bizarre reason you all made me laugh.

I'm surprised no one's made a baby boomer pun yet.

Oh, lawd.

I like this one. Can we keep him?

Sure, if he doesn't mind slightly charred child flesh.

Hm, child marriage. Interesting, though I thought that was more BT's forte.

If you were in charge of a nation's military, you would probably make the same decision when it came to it. It's wrong, but everything the military does is wrong. Its very purpose is morally wrong. If you were in charge of a morally wrong institution that simply must exist, you would find the least morally wrong way of operating it, and using unmanned bombers is probably the best way of protecting your own soldiers with no noticeable change in the danger presented to the opponent's children. The same bombs would have been dropped on the same targets, except an American pilot would be flying the plane instead of a drone program. The commanders behind those bombings probably made the only change they felt they had control over.

All war is wrong. No-one here thinks that war is great. But war is a dirty job that someone has to do, and if you won't some other guy will. You don't have to respect him for it, any more than you respect the guy who takes out your trash because your trash needs taking out. But you should recognise that he's probably doing it the best way he can before you condemn him as a patriotic nutter. He's just doing a job that you won't do.

That's not true.

Less paperwork.

All war is good.

The difference you're looking for is that the US goes into a war with the aim of doing it in the cleanest way possible. The Taliban goes into a war with the aim of chucking buckets of **** everywhere and then hurling more **** at the guys who come in and try to clean up the ****.

Most modern wartime states try to avoid fighting the kind of dirty war that the Taliban and others like them fight. They can't always do that, but the fact that they try puts the worlds apart from the guys who go to war with the specific aim of causing as many civilian casualties as physically possible.

Be consistent please.



Ostensibly, yes, according to some people in charge. Desert Storm was a shining example of a just war, according to the critiques I've seen at any rate.

Though Iraqi Freedom wasn't.

Edited, Jul 9th 2009 1:58am by Pensive