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It's obviously unlocked at 50k posts.

Lol the funny thing is you think I'd bother.

I used to rate posts default back in the old days.

Also, bring back the numbers!

Um... Made up numbers in that your example assumed that the US pollutes 70% as much as an alternative location in a developing country, and then assumed that a company staying in the US would magically reduce that pollution by an additional 43% (from 7 to 4). It's not the exact numbers, it's the ratios that are made up and pretty darn questionable.


It's more like the US will produce 3 units of pollution compared to 15 in a developing nation, and the company which stays will reduce that to 2.99 units.


If we're just making up numbers that is. I'm betting mine are closer to the truth though...



Neither do you! Sheesh.


The difference is that I'm not the one supporting a proposal which will increase the cost of our industrial production. Do you see how that's kinda relevant? If I don't know, and you don't know, how about we *not* do something that'll increase the costs to consumers and otherwise hurt our economy?


It's your guys who want to pass this new bill. It's up to you to prove that it'll do what they say. If you don't know, you should oppose the bill.




It's also amusing just how often conservative predictions about the dire effects of liberal economic policies turn out to be true. We're pretty much batting a thousand at this point.


Kinda like how Biden this week, when pressed on why economic indicators keep going south despite all the promises to the contrary when they were rushing to pass the stimulus and budget bills says "We just misread how bad the economy was". Lol. Funny thing is that what's happening right now is exactly what Conservatives predicted would happen if we spent the volume of money the Dems have spent. We aren't surprised at all that the economy is showing no signs of turning around. Not in the least. Why? Because we predicted it. See. Cause we have this innate ability to understand that when you have a financial crisis in your banking industry the last thing you want to do is borrow a bunch of money and spend it on social programs which don't actually help the banks remain solvent (but do serve to further vaporlock the lending industries).


Maybe one of these days you liberals will listen to us when we say "Don't put your hand on the hot stove! It'll burn you!!!". Maybe. I'm not holding my breath though...




It really is obvious Joph. Sadly, most liberals are so blinded by their own ideology that they can't see such obvious things as "Don't spend massive amounts of money and put yourself in debt if you don't know for absolutely certain that the benefits gained are worth the cost". The very fact that you don't know and admit you don't know what the total effect on pollution from this bill, yet still support it anyway, speaks volumes Joph. It's not about what makes sense or is right or wrong. Your leaders have used magic words that you've been programmed to respond to positively, and just like Pavlov's dogs, you have no choice but to obey your conditioning...

Edited, Jul 9th 2009 8:32pm by gbaji

You have a charmingly optimistic view of how much current pollution controls have decreased output.

Good thing I'm not saying "It's obvious! So obvious!"

I hate to break it to you, but neither you nor I are legislators.

On the other hand, the CBO and EPA have both produced reports on it which do address costs to consumers, cost to the economy, amount of pollution over time and even international factors. Granted, neither of them say "It's just obvious!" over and over so it's no wonder the conservative think tanks had to reject their findings and produce some of their own which (shock!) predict doom & gloom.

Heh. Irony.