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#52 REDACTED, Posted: Jul 08 2009 at 8:12 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Elinda,

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#53 Jul 08 2009 at 9:04 AM Rating: Good

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Probably not. A savy businessperson should be able to create wealth for their company with carbon credit trading.

It's amazing you can read and write yet there's still nothing going on upstairs.

A savy businessperson will take their business elsewhere. Which is why this bill targets the coal and oil industry.

The scientific community does not accept "climate change". In fact the world has been cooling the last 10yrs. The general consensus is they don't know what the f*ck is going to happen 10yrs from now or if anything we do can have any effect.

I suspect there is some sort of an alternate universe thing going on here - clearly you are elsewhere.

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#54 Jul 08 2009 at 10:45 AM Rating: Good

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publiusvarus wrote:

The scientific community does not accept "climate change". In fact the world has been cooling the last 10yrs. The general consensus is they don't know what the f*ck is going to happen 10yrs from now or if anything we do can have any effect.

What scientific community, where? I suppose that's the same scientific community that doesn't agree with the theory of natural selection, right?

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#55 Jul 08 2009 at 11:12 AM Rating: Good

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Though a supporter of Obama in general, I don't really believe any money should be going to any cause relating to climate change. I don't think humans have any significant impact on what the climate is like. Climate change is just what the world does.(yeah I know, it's said a lot.)

Money going to improve energy efficiency and decreasing dependence on resources out of our control is something I can get behind though.

Here's some links from a site that discusses climate change and the effects of greenhouse gases. Who wrote this I have no idea but (s)he does site their sources at the end.

http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/Carboniferous_climate.html
http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/global_warming.html
http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/ice_ages.html
http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html

It's a long read, but interesting whether you are a believer in man made climate change or not.

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#56 Jul 08 2009 at 11:36 AM Rating: Excellent

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It's a long read, but interesting whether you are a believer in man made climate change or not.

When you're done, you should read through this:

Climate Models
Ice Ages
Water Vapor

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#57 REDACTED, Posted: Jul 08 2009 at 11:47 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Jophed,

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#58 Jul 08 2009 at 11:50 AM Rating: Excellent

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I think conservatives don't WANT to believe in climate change because it affects how much stuff they can own. Which is really their primary concern in any issue.

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#59 REDACTED, Posted: Jul 08 2009 at 11:52 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Ash,

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#60 Jul 08 2009 at 11:53 AM Rating: Good

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publiusvarus wrote:

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I think

I seriously doubt that.

This was a witty and original post. 5/5.

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#61 Jul 08 2009 at 11:55 AM Rating: Excellent

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I think

I seriously doubt that.

Why don't you want gays to be able to marry? Why don't you want public health care? Why don't you want...pretty much anything good for society as a whole that the Republicans oppose?

Because you want to own more stuff.

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#62 Jul 08 2009 at 11:58 AM Rating: Excellent

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Climate projection is a difficult and ever refining art

From your own sources. You definitly have to have an imagination to believe humans can affect global climate change.

Erm.. and?

I'm sorry... did you think "ever refining art" is synonymous with "We have absolutely no idea" or something?

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#63 REDACTED, Posted: Jul 08 2009 at 12:01 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Ash,

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#65 Jul 08 2009 at 12:04 PM Rating: Good

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Who says I don't want any of that stuff? I just don't want to have to pay for yours and every other dead beat who spends their money on beer, cigs, and fast food as opposed to taking care of themselves. Do you see the difference?

I fail to see the relevance of this to:

gay marriage;
improved fuel efficiency;
and anything else that improves society, has nothing to do with health insurance, and is opposed by Republicans.

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#66 REDACTED, Posted: Jul 08 2009 at 12:11 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) denham,

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improved fuel efficiency;

Drill here drill now is the best/quickest way to increase our fuel efficiency. Attempting to legislate the creation of new unproven methods certainly isn't.

I don't believe you understand the meaning of the phrase "improved fuel efficiency".

For that matter, I don't believe you understand the meaning of many other phrases.

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#68 Jul 08 2009 at 12:19 PM Rating: Excellent

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Ever refining art means just that; art not science.

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#69 REDACTED, Posted: Jul 08 2009 at 12:22 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Denham,

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publiusvarus wrote:

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I don't believe you understand the meaning of the phrase "improved fuel efficiency".

I was thinking the same thing.

Well, good then.

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#71 Jul 08 2009 at 12:24 PM Rating: Decent

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I don't believe you understand the meaning of the phrase "improved fuel efficiency".

I was thinking the same thing. Seems to me it would be more efficient to utilize our own natural resources instead of forcing companies to re-invent the wheel to placate politicians. But that's just me.

I would think you'd be in favor of making it so that those natural resources last longer first; otherwise you're just postponing the problem.

I'm not categorically against drilling (or gas-powered vehicles, for that matter). I'm against a mentality of "why bother pushing the MPG rating for vehicles up, we can just drill for more oil".

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#72 REDACTED, Posted: Jul 08 2009 at 12:38 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You're assuming there's a finite amount of said resources. I don't buy that.

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#73 Jul 08 2009 at 12:41 PM Rating: Good

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You're assuming there's a finite amount of said resources. I don't buy that.

On Earth? Or furthur afield??

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#74 Jul 08 2009 at 12:42 PM Rating: Excellent

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Once we find a way to tap into the energy of our massive national granite reserves, we're golden.

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#75 Jul 08 2009 at 12:42 PM Rating: Excellent

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Oh right, I almost forgot that Varrus thinks the earth can produce as much fossilized bio-material as we consume.

Why do we attempt to debate with him again?

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#76 Jul 08 2009 at 12:47 PM Rating: Good

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Fossils were put there by God to test our faith. D'uh!

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