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#202REDACTED, Posted: Jul 08 2009 at 5:26 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Jophed,
#203 Jul 08 2009 at 5:30 AM Rating: Good
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Actually the market was just coming back when the Dems took control of the house and senate in 2006. Here we are 3yrs later realizing the results of a Democrat congress. And yes the Dems in congress did everything they could to sabotage W and the economy so they would stand a better chance at getting a Dem president. But you already know this.


So the late 90s were just the same plan concocted by the GOP?
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#204 Jul 08 2009 at 5:32 AM Rating: Excellent
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How about governing a state?
How about it? Are you saying being governor gives you extensive foreign relations experience?
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Oh that's right Obama was a "community organizer" so, like Jesus, that qualifies him for everything.

Except carpentry.
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Remind me again whether Obama has ever held a steady job in the private sector?
Don't think so. But he has held the job of President of the United States of America so he has that going for him Smiley: thumbsup
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#205REDACTED, Posted: Jul 08 2009 at 5:36 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Jophed,
#206REDACTED, Posted: Jul 08 2009 at 5:40 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Anna,
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Which is why the economy is continually getting worse.

It's cute that you think any president is really making the direct decisions on the economy.
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Actually I'm saying being a governor gives you experience in governing.

So based on Palin's running away in tears from her job, we now know for sure she's not suited to govern. That's fair.
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Clearly Obama isn't up to the task.

Tough noodles, he already has the job. Maybe you guys should learn how to win elections.
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#208 Jul 08 2009 at 5:54 AM Rating: Excellent
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On the contrary Obama is the culmination of the Democrats efforts to socialize america. Tell me do you think the banking, auto, and now energy industries would have been taken over by the US govn had a member of the GOP been elected president? And now he's trying to nationalize healthcare. So when I say Democrats that does include the president. And this economy is Obama's despite Biden, and every other Democrat, loudly proclaiming it's worse than they first thought. It's worse now for sure. That's because govn can't solve economic problems better than a free market regardless of how much money they confiscate from the employers and distribute to the non-producers.

Do you mean the banking, auto, and energy companies that flew to Washington, DC (some on chartered jets) begging for government assistance because they spent the last decade making bad business decisions? The ones that got $700 billion dollars appropriated while George W. Bush was still President? Those companies? To the extent that they were "taken over by the US govn", they beggrd for it. I laughed because it is/was the biggest transfer of private capital to the government ever and it happened with Bush in office.

You (and others) keep saying socialism like it's an evil, bad word. You do realise that your local police department is socialism, as is the fire department, public libraries, public schools, and subsidised higher education (in-state tuition).

Do you really think our current system of delivering health care is efficient? I hear people say, "I don't want socialised medicine, I'm NOT paying for it". Guess what?, You already are. Every time some deadbeat uses the ER and doesn't pay, you do with higher fees. The uninsured cost the rest of us, just not as directly. When people use the ER (the most expensive place you can go) for their first line medical treatment because they have no insurance, it costs us all.
#209REDACTED, Posted: Jul 08 2009 at 5:58 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Jophed,
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What's cute is that you think a president nationalizing every part of the private sector doesn't directly affect the economy.

Did I say that? I don't remember saying that. Maybe I did. Nope.. don't think so.

Are you off your meds and hearing things?
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Actually she did the responsible thing that's going to save the tax payers of Alaska over a million in defending herself from false accusations.

You mean the $290k Alaska spent investigating her for valid ethical complaints? You realize the bulk of that $290k was spent on investigations that ended in a "Yup, she was in violation", right?

Yeah, if I knew the hammer was coming down on my poor governing ethics, I might run away as well. And even blame the media so conservative tools will say "She HAD to quit because the scary liberal media was THREATENING ALASKA!!" Smiley: laugh
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Maybe we shouldn't allow people on welfare the right to vote.

Why do you hate democracy?
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#212REDACTED, Posted: Jul 08 2009 at 6:21 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Jophed,
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Actually she did the responsible thing that's going to save the tax payers of Alaska over a million in defending herself from false accusations. It's a shame more politicians don't act like this. You do realize governing is supposed to be about the people you represent and not yourself right?


There is no single part of this that means what you think it means. It's really kind of beautiful.

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#214 Jul 08 2009 at 6:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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And this is going to stop under govn healthcare? The deadbeats the abuse the ER are going to do so no matter what the healthcare system looks like. By having the govn take over healthcare all you'll end up doing is driving private industry, thus competition, out of the business. The primary reason the healthcare system is screwed up today is because people have this insane idea that someone else should be responsible for taking care of their health needs.

Yes I do believe that if EVERYONE was either insured or had a medicare type plan many of them would see a regular primary care physician BEFORE going to the ER. The ER is a PitA to go to for care. I believe in England you get penalized for going to the ER when not needed. All we have to do is make going to the ER less desireable than a normal doctor and human nature will take care of the rest.

Priavte Industry?, Competition? Health insurance companies are just a middle-man between the patient and the doctor; skimming dollars that could be paying for treatment. Do you "bargain shop" for healthcare? I don't. I find the BEST qualified doctor/surgeon and choose them (unless of course s/he is not on the list from which my insurance company makes me "choose". Stop treating healthcare like a "market-driven" industry. It isn't one.

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I laughed because it is/was the biggest transfer of private capital to the government ever and it happened with Bush in office.

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Well except for Obama confiscating the banking and auto industry. And Obama's deficit spending is already over 1 Trillion with a projected 10 Trillion over the next 10yrs. That's 1 Trillion a year. The reason W did what he did was to try and circumvent what Obama was going to do. Obviously it didn't work.

Can you prove that bolded part?
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a couple of plane tickets and some fired trooper who liked to tazer children.

Yup, those were ethics violations, all right. I'm glad we both agree that Palin had multiple instances of violating state ethics codes and fled her job before any more could be dug up.
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Democracy is the equivalent of mob rule.

You should move to Iran. They don't cotton to democracy or mobs over there.
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#216REDACTED, Posted: Jul 08 2009 at 6:43 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Blusician,
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Under govn healthcare you won't be given this option. You will have to go to the doctor the state tells you to or they refuse coverage.


Not if it works on the same model as, for example, the UK where 95% of doctors are on the NHS and you can go to any of them.

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#218REDACTED, Posted: Jul 08 2009 at 6:48 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Jophed,
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Ask Obama if he plans on putting his children on a govn healthcare plan.

That's a stupid question. I doubt you can figure out why.
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What about the 15 that were fabricated?

There weren't fifteen fabricated. There were fifteen, three of which proved legitimate and twelve of which didn't have merit. Which doesn't mean they were fabricated. But, since we were talking cost, the other twelve make a distinct minority of the state cost because they were quickly dismissed. The real money was in the upheld complaints.
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How about Obama's shady land deals? Wonder why they didn't continue to pursue that.

"They" who?
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#221 Jul 08 2009 at 6:55 AM Rating: Good
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Under govn healthcare you won't be given this option. You will have to go to the doctor the state tells you to or they refuse coverage.
You're confusing a real system with the one you have now. This isn't the way it works. That is however the way it's working right now in the US depending on who you're covered by.
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#222 Jul 08 2009 at 7:05 AM Rating: Excellent
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Under govn healthcare you won't be given this option. You will have to go to the doctor the state tells you to or they refuse coverage.

I already am limited in my "Choices". I must choose from a list of doctors that is approved by the insurnace company. I can't "choose" another insurance company, I get the one my employer decides to use. This means I don't get to choose my deductible amounts (like I can with my car and homeowners insurance). I don't get to "choose" my co-pay amounts. I don't get to "choose" the hospital.

Yeah, today's system is chock full of "choice". <--- sarcasm

The funny thing is, I'm one of the "lucky" ones simply because I actually HAVE health insurance. It must be incredibly more sucktastic for those that don't.
#223 Jul 08 2009 at 7:35 AM Rating: Good
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Under govn healthcare you won't be given this option. You will have to go to the doctor the state tells you to or they refuse coverage.


Not if it works on the same model as, for example, the UK where 95% of doctors are on the NHS and you can go to any of them.



This.

What Varus doesn't know could fill an entire friggin' library.
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#224REDACTED, Posted: Jul 08 2009 at 7:54 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Jophed,
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So you're saying Rezko dropped the ball by not investigating himself?

Not his role, buddy.

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#226REDACTED, Posted: Jul 08 2009 at 8:06 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Samy,
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