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#52 Jul 04 2009 at 4:58 AM Rating: Good
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I like how you end your post about hating people for their views by insulting a collosal group of people who have nothing in common save their views.

I find it ironic you would point this out as it's Liberals themselves that claim to be the more open minded people.


No, you ******** that's not what irony is. My post is not close minded in any sense of the phrase - but even if it were, it would still not be ironic, because my post is pointing out hypocrisy, not chiding all Republicans for their close mindedness. In conclusion, stick your head in a wood chipper.
#53 Jul 04 2009 at 5:22 AM Rating: Decent
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but Palin has a retarded baby


This is what im talking about. This is sick comment passed off as some kind of playful joke. The amount of serious hatred that Liberals throw at someone they do not like is frightening.

Oh, I'm sorry, I should restate that.

She has a baby that is retarded.

Better?
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#54 Jul 04 2009 at 7:25 AM Rating: Decent
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No, you @#%^wit, that's not what irony is. My post is not close minded in any sense of the phrase - but even if it were, it would still not be ironic, because my post is pointing out hypocrisy, not chiding all Republicans for their close mindedness. In conclusion, stick your head in a wood chipper.

I continue to read your posts, and it amazes me just how ******* stupid you continue to be. I don't think you'll ever get what I'm saying, so I won't continue to bother.
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#55 Jul 04 2009 at 8:55 AM Rating: Good
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I couldn't watch the videos Joph linked because her voice, manner of speaking, etc. just grates on my nerves. But I'm sure it was just fascinating.
#56 Jul 04 2009 at 9:15 AM Rating: Excellent
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#57 Jul 04 2009 at 10:23 AM Rating: Good
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No, you @#%^wit, that's not what irony is. My post is not close minded in any sense of the phrase - but even if it were, it would still not be ironic, because my post is pointing out hypocrisy, not chiding all Republicans for their close mindedness. In conclusion, stick your head in a wood chipper.

I continue to read your posts, and it amazes me just how @#%^ing stupid you continue to be. I don't think you'll ever get what I'm saying, so I won't continue to bother.


See, this is irony, because you're intending to highlight my stupidity yet succeed only in drawing attention to your own; that is to say, the intention is contrary to the result. Don't worry too much, though, plenty of people don't understand the concept of irony, so you've got plenty of company in the deep well of your ignorance.
#58 Jul 04 2009 at 12:07 PM Rating: Good
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If you can't prove it to be a fact, because your specimens are long dead, you can't call it a "law". Just a theory, until the next believable theory comes along, then you'll have people in 3009 arguing on the virtual reality chat room about whether or not the...Theory Of Alien Space Bat Intervention can be called a "law" yet.


Specimens being dead has little to do with it; and much of science is theory--strong, weak, tested, untested. Science classes should teach the strongest theories, and wrt to the manner of speciation and the history of the human species, evolution is a MUCH stronger theory than creationism.

I agree with the other guy, creationism is fine to be taught in a religion class, or history class. For a science class though? Wouldn't mind if particularly strong aspects of the theory were taught, like, well...oh yeah, there aren't any partiuclarly strong aspects. There's not a single piece of the theory that makes sense to teach in a science class.

As for Palin, good riddance *****. Hope to never hear from her again, or if I do that she's learned nothing and remains a moron so the neo-cons are saddled with another unelectable embarrasement.
#59 Jul 04 2009 at 2:16 PM Rating: Decent
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And it's taught in history


It was not in my highschool experience.

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Elective? Sure if there is enough interest. Required class? Ridiculous.


There is very little as important as understanding the motivations, worldview, and beliefs of other people. My highschool required three years of natural science, leaving a nice gaping hole in the senior year that could be filled by something much more constructive than... bowling. Well I'm sure that that perfect 300 score is worth a total ignorance of theology which shapes politics every day.

It's almost as important as simple logic, another subject which should be completely mandatory in highschool, and isn't. Fortunately, such classes could easily be merged with one another.

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I don't either, but I'd rather that money go towards art/music classes first.


The ones that already exist? Our programs never had the best of funds but they got the job done: drawing and painting always had pastels and paint, and photography always had enough money for fixer and such. They should get more funding sure but I can't consider them more important than attempting to understand the psychology of most of the world. If they don't exist where you are though, of course they should.
#60 Jul 04 2009 at 2:26 PM Rating: Decent
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Also, I'll point out something kind of cool about art and music.

When I went to highschool, there was quite a dearth of electives until you were a senior; freshmen could basically pick from health, phys ed, 2d design, or band/orchestra. Health and phys ed were required, but the pool of electives didn't increase for three more years still, meaning that most people in the school would take at least 2d and 3d design, and if they didn't, they would be taking band or orchestra instead, and of course once you took 2d and 3d you were likely to go into a specialized art class in junior year.

I quite liked it really. They weren't quite mandatory but the very practical solution of making them the most desirable electives to take worked out alright.
#61 Jul 04 2009 at 3:01 PM Rating: Good
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plenty of people don't understand the concept of irony, so you've got plenty of company in the deep well of your ignorance.



I know what irony is!! Its like brassy or coppery....see? Harrumph!
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#62 Jul 04 2009 at 3:21 PM Rating: Excellent
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The ones that already exist? Our programs never had the best of funds but they got the job done: drawing and painting always had pastels and paint, and photography always had enough money for fixer and such. They should get more funding sure but I can't consider them more important than attempting to understand the psychology of most of the world. If they don't exist where you are though, of course they should.

Well, perhaps you're just being purposefully glib, but it's not really the supplies that is the major cost. It's moreso the taking on of an extra salary to get a teacher who specialized in the field enough to be qualified. There's also physical classroom space issues, fitting it into the schedule, the intial cost of creating the coursework and lesson plans. And for what will probably be an elective that 1/3 of students might take. And, the tangental problem that the subject isn't something that shows up on the standardized tests through which schools are evaluated.

Don't get me wrong, I'd be strongly in favor of a logic class especially. And you could argue that it would help the students in just about every other aspect of their education, even multiple-choice strategy in standardized tests. But it just isn't that easy to implement in under-funded schools.

#63 Jul 04 2009 at 3:28 PM Rating: Decent
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Well, perhaps you're just being purposefully glib


Not really. I don't know what the limitations are of encouraging art classes because I never ran into them. We had a pretty nice art program, even offering AP levels in certain specialties.

It would be awesome if all or even most highschools could offer that.

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But it just isn't that easy to implement in under-funded schools.


I don't know how to even begin to enable fundamental change in education requirements, but that's a different matter than what we should be attempting to teach in the first place. Should we? Yes. Can we? **** I don't know but we should try right?
#64 Jul 04 2009 at 5:14 PM Rating: Default
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I agree with the other guy, creationism is fine to be taught in a religion class, or history class. For a science class though? Wouldn't mind if particularly strong aspects of the theory were taught, like, well...oh yeah, there aren't any partiuclarly strong aspects. There's not a single piece of the theory that makes sense to teach in a science class.



Hm, I don't remember advocating teaching creationism in a science class. I think I mentioned that it should be offered as an elective course in high school all on its own.
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#65 Jul 04 2009 at 5:33 PM Rating: Good
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The ones that already exist?


Depending on where you live, some schools don't offer any due to budget constraints. The school in Flint, Michigan that my nieces attend had no art, no band, no choir, only extracurricular (and unfunded) theatre, and no bus service. If I found out that school district was offering a class on creationism but not bus service when the wind chill is -10F, I'd probably fire-bomb the fucking place.

#66 Jul 04 2009 at 7:04 PM Rating: Good
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Depending on where you live, some schools don't offer any due to budget constraints. The school in Flint, Michigan that my nieces attend had no art, no band, no choir, only extracurricular (and unfunded) theatre, and no bus service. If I found out that school district was offering a class on creationism but not bus service when the wind chill is -10F, I'd probably fire-bomb the fucking place.

At least then they'd be warm.
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#67 Jul 04 2009 at 8:59 PM Rating: Decent
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I have asked several people who I have met in real life who have claimed that "she scares the hell out of me" and other vile things and they have all done exactly the same thing you all did.


They're not scared of Sarah Palin. They're scared of what might happen if she gets into a position of power.
#68 Jul 05 2009 at 1:01 PM Rating: Good
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Hm, I don't remember advocating teaching creationism in a science class. I think I mentioned that it should be offered as an elective course in high school all on its own.


You said it should be an optional course, and would be taught as a theory, and likened it (I assume in that context) to the theory of evolution. Unlike the latter theory creationism has hardly any real science backing it, which is why I responded like that. Teaching the theory of evolution in high school is little different than teaching the theory of phlogiston or astrology. In no way should it be put forth as a serious alternative to evolution.

Sorry if I've misunderstood your position.
#69 Jul 05 2009 at 1:21 PM Rating: Good
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Unlike the latter theory creationism has hardly any real science backing it.


Far less than 'hardly any'.
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#70 Jul 05 2009 at 2:42 PM Rating: Excellent
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Not to actually talk about Palin but here's a quote from Palin back during the campaign when she was asked about Hillary Clinton and media focus on her:
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Fair or unfair—and I do think that it's a more concentrated criticism that Hillary gets on so many fronts; I think that's unfortunate. But fair or unfair, I think she does herself a disservice to even mention it, really. You have to plow through that and know what you're getting into. I say this with all due respect to Hillary Clinton and to her experience and to her passion for changing the status quo. But when I hear a statement like that coming from a women candidate with any kind of perceived whine about that excess criticism or a sharper microscope put on her, I think, man, that doesn't do us any good. Women in politics, women in general wanting to progress this country, I don't think it bodes well for her, a statement like that. Because, again, fair or not fair it is there. I think it's reality and it's a given, people just accept that she's going to be under a sharper microscope. So be it. Work harder, prove to yourself to an even greater degree that you're capable, that you're going to be the best candidate. That's what she wants us to believe at this point. So it bothers me a little bit to hear her bring that attention to herself on that level.
Compare that to the woman whose supposed rationale for quitting her job is one shrill screed about the evil media and how mean it's been to her and how she can't possibly be governor because the media media MEDIA is SO MEAN!


Smiley: laugh.... *sigh*
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#71 Jul 05 2009 at 3:08 PM Rating: Good
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She's way to busy to keep track of anything she actually says... you can't expect her to remember everything that comes out of her mouth as well as take care of a baby and be governor.
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#72 Jul 05 2009 at 7:13 PM Rating: Default
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You said it should be an optional course, and would be taught as a theory, and likened it (I assume in that context) to the theory of evolution. Unlike the latter theory creationism has hardly any real science backing it, which is why I responded like that. Teaching the theory of evolution in high school is little different than teaching the theory of phlogiston or astrology. In no way should it be put forth as a serious alternative to evolution.

Sorry if I've misunderstood your position.


Oh, but by all means it SHOULD be taught as a serious alternative, but only if the student want to learn about it. I mean, hell, enough people believe in it that it SHOULD be treated seriously. I'm not saying I believe in creationism, because I don't, but because so many people in this world believe in it, it should be taught as a serious alternative.

Besides, IMO, the Theory Of Evolution is just as much a crock of ****.

Edited, Jul 5th 2009 11:14pm by Driftwood
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#73 Jul 05 2009 at 7:47 PM Rating: Excellent
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Besides, IMO, the Theory Of Evolution is just as much a crock of sh*t.


Well, that tells me all I need to know about Undeadmushroom.

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#74 Jul 05 2009 at 7:48 PM Rating: Good
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Besides, IMO, the Theory Of Evolution is just as much a crock of sh*t.



You really believe that? Smiley: oyvey Smiley: laugh
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#75 Jul 05 2009 at 7:55 PM Rating: Good
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Besides, IMO, the Theory Of Evolution is just as much a crock of sh*t.


That's your considered scientific opinion, is it?
#76 Jul 05 2009 at 8:05 PM Rating: Excellent
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Oh, but by all means it SHOULD be taught as a serious alternative, but only if the student want to learn about it.


Um dude?

If it is viable as a scientific piece of knowledge, it should be mandatory to learn in science. If it's not viable as a scientific piece of knowledge, then it should not be taught as a serious alternative to other scientific theory. It's the sign of extremely poor education not to teach all viable scientific knowledge; it would be like only optionally including Heliocentricism in an astronomy course.

The reason we ought not to push stuff like intelligent design or even weird stuff like Berkelean idealism in physics courses isn't because those arguments can't be appealing (because they can be;) it's because none of them are informed by induction, whereas almost all of modern science is. It's just a totally different (and currently obsolete, but certainly historically appealing) way of obtaining knowledge about the world.
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