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#27 Jul 03 2009 at 7:17 PM Rating: Good
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Hardcore anti-abortionist, no exceptions.
Abstinence only education.
Creationism in public schools.


So she doesn't Believe in abortion, doesn't think public schools should hand out condems to other people children and belives in God and teaching both sides of the arguement.....and that scares you?


You make it seem like she isn't an extremist. But she's about as far right as you can get on those issues. There is no middle ground with her.

So yes, it is "frightening" in a sense of the word (and not the "OMG Jason is going to kill me Friday the 13th" sense).

Why are republicans so afraid of a socialist government and homosexual marriage? Because it's different than their beliefs?
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#28 Jul 03 2009 at 7:23 PM Rating: Good
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I like how you end your post about hating people for their views by insulting a collosal group of people who have nothing in common save their views.

I find it ironic you would point this out as it's Liberals themselves that claim to be the more open minded people.
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#29 Jul 03 2009 at 7:27 PM Rating: Excellent
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She doesn't scare the hell out of me but she does strike me as a dangerous combination of intellectual laziness and self-assured hubris. During the campaign, she left me with the distinct impression that she had never once given a thought to the world outside the US or even perhaps outside Alaska until the McCain campaign was tasked with drilling factoids into her head. I'm not saying she should have been ambassador to Estonia or whatever but her responses in interviews made me think she just lacked intellectual curiousity about the world around her or the machinery of the federal government.

Perhaps I'm wrong but that doesn't fill me with great confidence.

Edited, Jul 3rd 2009 10:28pm by Jophiel
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#30 Jul 03 2009 at 7:31 PM Rating: Default
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Why are republicans so afraid of a socialist government and homosexual marriage? Because it's different than their beliefs?



Can't speak for the entire Republican party only for myself but Homosexuals or homosexual marriage does not scare me in the slightest. I think homosexuals should be given the right to marry.


And socialist government scare me because the idea that goverment has the right to tell me how much of my money I am "allowed" to keep should scare any free thinking person.

Whenever I hear a politician talk about "they need to give up something" or that something that someone worked for "isn't really thiers" I get cold chills down my spine.

That socialist goverments enable detrimental behaviour.
#31 Jul 03 2009 at 7:42 PM Rating: Good
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And you can't see how a "no exceptions" anti-abortion policy, creationism being taught as scientific fact, and not educating children about how to protect themselves if they do decide to have sex, could be seen as "frightening" in the same sense that you view the socialist government?
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#32 Jul 03 2009 at 7:47 PM Rating: Decent
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Other than they disagree with her political views on certain subjects you can't come up with any valid reason why she scares you.


I don't want her governing a country when she possesses views that I view as antithetical to freedom. It's extremely simple, and the policies that she would push and possibly enact are as detrimental in my view as is a socialized economy to yours.

Try to step outside of your own perspective... please.
#33 Jul 03 2009 at 8:59 PM Rating: Good
Unfortunately, she is taken more seriously because she is an attractive woman. She's about as bright as Bobby Jindal or Mark Sanford, but she's twenty times as sexy.

If she had the brains to match the bod, there's a chance McCain/Palin would have won. Unfortunately (or fortunately if you're a Dem) she's not the sharpest knife in the drawer and she was inexperienced and naive to boot.

She's not a bulldog in lipstick, she's **** Cheney in a movie star's body. That's a potentially evil combo right there. Thankfully, she's too stupid to pull off evil.

Really, though, I don't think there's any scandal involved here, unless she honestly thought that she could made Alaska secede from the union and the idea was shot down so many times she got tired being told no. So she's taking her toys and going home.

(Realistically, I think the demands of a special needs child on top of a special needs state are just too much for one person, and she's chosen motherhood over her career. I'm pro-choice, so if that's her decision, it's fine with me.)
#34 Jul 03 2009 at 9:13 PM Rating: Good
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Realistically, I think the demands of a special needs child on top of a special needs state are just too much for one person, and she's chosen motherhood over her career. I'm pro-choice, so if that's her decision, it's fine with me.


I really really doubt that. I'm reasonably certain that Sarah Palin Always has an angle. She's playing at a presidential run I'm pretty sure, I just really hope abandoning her post to pursue that comes back to bite her.
#35 Jul 03 2009 at 9:17 PM Rating: Good
Rumors circulating about a federal indictment pending over embezzlement - apparently, her 3500 square foot house wasn't built by her husband's "buddies" as he claimed but by the same contractors that built the $13 million dollar Wasilla Sports Complex (which happens to be right next to her house, and constructed with the same materials . . . which, while might be required in a historical neighborhood or a condo complex, seems unlikely in a small rural town.)

Long and short of it is, she may have gotten a free house in exchange for a sports complex built with taxpayer money. And finally gotten caught.

Edited, Jul 4th 2009 1:17am by catwho
#36 Jul 03 2009 at 9:18 PM Rating: Excellent
Why I Dislike Sarah Palin
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I dislike Sarah Palin for many reasons, but most recently because she can't take public life. Recently, after the whole Letterman joke thing, she decided to single out one liberal blogger who photoshopped the face of a conservative radio host over her child's face to illistrate how close Sarah is to said conservatives.

Sarah thought this was ridiculous & no one should "make fun of her retarded child" that way.

But Sarah didn't understand that the blooger was making fun of her, not her child.

So, as is the way with memes, when she decided to deride photoshopping over special needs children's faces, the internet decided it would make a bunch more.

Now, about a week later, she's resigning. Whether or not this is a ploy to get a head start on the 2012 elections remains to be seen. But what is known, is that in her resignation speech she stated:
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I think much of it had to do with the kids seeing their baby brother Trig mocked by some pretty mean-spirited adults recently.


And so, since she can't bomb the internet, she's quitting. Suffice to say, if she can't handle how the internet treats her, she'll never be able to handle President.

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#37 Jul 03 2009 at 9:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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Apparently some people think it's a good idea.
Conversely, Larry Sabato thinks that...
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Larry Sabato, the director of the Center for Politics at the University of Virginia, said Palin is political toast.

"If she wants to run for president, what she's done is hand a tremendous two-by-four to all of her opponents, Democrats and Republicans alike," he said.

He comparing her to Ross Perot, saying the third-party presidential candidate was widely viewed as erratic and unstable despite drawing support for his position on deficits.

"She has just confirmed that criticism," Sabato said. "Politically speaking, if your goal is to run for president, this is a very stupid move. The correct move was to finish the one gubernatorial term."

Sabato said he doesn't believe Republicans will nominate Palin in 2012 if she were to run.

"If they do nominate her, I think they're inviting not just defeat, but landslide defeat in 2012," he said.

Or, as he put it in Politco:
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Welcome to Bizarro World. We’ll see what the real, full story is behind this seemingly nonsensical move. But one result is clear: Sarah Palin is no longer a credible candidate for President in 2012.

Most of the commentary will say, “More disaster for GOP.” It looks that way. But if this takes Sarah Palin off the list of plausible Republican presidential candidates for 2012, it’s potentially a plus for the GOP. I would make a large bet that Sarah Palin, resigned governor or not, would be a landslide loser for President in November 2012. This may give the Republicans a better chance to choose a respectable nominee.
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#38 Jul 03 2009 at 9:21 PM Rating: Good
That'd make me happy if it were true. Anyplace you're reading those rumors from?
#39 Jul 03 2009 at 9:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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#40 Jul 03 2009 at 9:27 PM Rating: Excellent
So far mostly shrieking liberal harpy websites, but the "scandal" actually surfaced last October in the liberal blogosphere. With so much crazy going on, it quickly got buried.

If the rumors have teeth, it'll be on the wider web tomorrow, no doubt.
#41 Jul 03 2009 at 9:37 PM Rating: Good
Palin would be so much more tolerable with my **** in her mouth.
#42 Jul 03 2009 at 9:39 PM Rating: Good
Even now I'm looking at her photos from Runner's Magazine or whatever they were published in and thinking, "A body is a terrible thing to waste - by pairing it with that mind."

If she was blonde we'd expect it, you know? She fools us with the pretty brunette.

Edit: Realized this leaves Bobby Jindal and Mitt Romney as the top choices for 2012. I view this as win/win; they nominate Jindal and all the white supremacists give up and stay home, or the nominate Romney and all the evangelicals that can't stand Mormons stay home. Either way, it will mean 50% of the Republican party is out for the count (there's some overlap of course, so the fiscal conservatives like gbaji will still be there to dutifully vote for the opposition party.) This will spell terrible news for the downticket races.



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Incidentally, if you haven't, take a watch of her resignation speech (Part 1, Part 2).

That's... not a good speech. She sounds rushed, almost frantic and meanders all over the place with it. I think that's part of what got people thinking that something big was going on in her life beyond what she was talking about. I've no idea if that's true or not but... yeah. Pretty strange speech to give for your resignation.
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#44 Jul 03 2009 at 10:43 PM Rating: Good
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What exactly scares you and other liberals so bad about her?


Bad habit of spending money that's not hers on things she shouldn't be using it for.

Makes Rush Limbaugh look like an intelligent human being.


She doesn't really scare me, though. I just think that she would make am absolutely terrible president. Too far from center to even win in the first place, but because she's so far from center, it would limit her ability to agree with others both within her own staff as well as the rest of the world. Basically, it would make the Bush years look good.

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So she doesn't Believe in abortion, doesn't think public schools should hand out condems to other people children and belives in God and teaching both sides of the arguement.....and that scares you?



Lets do this piece by piece.

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So she doesn't Believe in abortion


It's perfectly fine to not believe in abortion. Hell, if it was my kid, I wouldn't want the girl I knocked up to get an abortion. BUT, not believing in it is far different from trying to force your beliefs on everyone else. I wouldn't want my girl getting an abortion, but, I have no problem with other people doing it. It's their right to make that choice on their own.

Just in case you're one of those religious, Pro-Life "You're killing an innocent person!" people, let me ask you this: How the **** does it affect your chances of getting into heaven if some person you don't even know gets an abortion?

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doesn't think public schools should hand out condoms to other people's children


Learn to spell, kid.

Anyway, promoting the use of condoms is not the same as promoting sex. Handing out condoms during a sex-ed class that also teaches abstinance as an option is pretty much saying, "Hey, look, we don't want you to be having sex, but a lot of you will do it anyway, so if you do decide to do it, please, use this.". And you know what? I really can't think of any really good way of arguing against the benefits of promoting BOTH abstinance AND safe sex. Try it, you'll lose every time.

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and belives in God and teaching both sides of the arguement


A lot of these people who want creationism to be taught in public schools(separation of church and state aside) want it to be mandatory. If they make it an option, in high schools only, the classes will more than likely be filled. By all means, go ahead and teach creationism in public school, but make it optional, NOT mandatory. Also, it should not be taught as FACT, but instead as THEORY. The same should apply to the THEORY of Evolution. Nothing that can't be proven without any doubt whatsoever, should be taught as fact.



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#45 Jul 03 2009 at 10:51 PM Rating: Good
Theory of Creationism? Gives it too much credit. "Fiction of Creationism" I like better. "Myth of Creationism" is probably the most accurate. But until it's undergone rigorous scientific testing that is published in peer reviewed journals, it doesn't get the honor of being called a theory.

I'm part of the faction that really thinks its high time the Theory of Evolution was given the final upgrade to Law of Evolution, but that's just semantics.
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There's an interesting column written by the guy who does The Mud Flats, an Alaskan politics blog. The column itself is now hosted on The Huffinton Post since The Mud Flats couldn't handle the server traffic.

Anyway, the guy obviously isn't too fond of Ms. Palin but makes some good points regarding some of her claims. Most notably:
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There are too many distractions, too much being picked on, too little time to focus on the maters of state, too many jokes about her kids, and too much money fighting those ethics complaints against her. Strangely, she quoted again the sum of money that ethics complaints against her had cost the state. Millions, she said. Two million. Yesterday's headline in the Anchorage Daily News tallied up the cost at $296,000, with the bulk of that stemming from the Troopergate investigation of last summer.
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Most of the ethics complaints have been dismissed. But, Alaska has no Ethics Board. Ethics complaints are handled by a three-member governor appointed Personnel Board, whose jobs depend on the sitting governor who can fire them at will. Was the deck stacked? Many say yes. But despite the dismissal of the majority of complaints, there were ethics complaints that resulted in a finding by the Legislature that she had abused her power and violated the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act in the Troopergate fiasco, a directive for a high level staffer to undergo ethics training due to a string of "troubling emails" and a recent payment from Palin to the state for almost $10,000 to reimburse for her charging the state for her children's travel expenses. So, were all the ethics complaints "frivolous?" Even if we take the results of the Personnel Board at face value, the answer is no.
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#47 Jul 03 2009 at 11:03 PM Rating: Decent
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Theory of Creationism? Gives it too much credit. "Fiction of Creationism" I like better. "Myth of Creationism" is probably the most accurate. But until it's undergone rigorous scientific testing that is published in peer reviewed journals, it doesn't get the honor of being called a theory.

I'm part of the faction that really thinks its high time the Theory of Evolution was given the final upgrade to Law of Evolution, but that's just semantics.


I don't believe in creationism, but, I also do not think that the THEORY of Evolution can be called a law because there are still major, as of yet, unexplained gaps. It can't be proved through experimentation.

You can't prove through experimentation that Humans evolved from anything. Saying it's a fact without any real definitive proof is the same as if I was to say that Solution X boils at 14 Degrees Celsius, when Solution X is a substance that no longer exists. Sure, I could probably make it look good and convincing on paper, use a lot of math, a lot of numbers and scientific terms, comparisons to other, similar substances that still exist, BUT I cannot give any definitive evidence of Substance X boiling at 14 Degrees Celsius.

If you can't prove it to be a fact, because your specimens are long dead, you can't call it a "law". Just a theory, until the next believable theory comes along, then you'll have people in 3009 arguing on the virtual reality chat room about whether or not the...Theory Of Alien Space Bat Intervention can be called a "law" yet.

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#48 Jul 03 2009 at 11:35 PM Rating: Good
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Incidentally, if you haven't, take a watch of her resignation speech (Part 1, Part 2).

That's... not a good speech. She sounds rushed, almost frantic and meanders all over the place with it. I think that's part of what got people thinking that something big was going on in her life beyond what she was talking about. I've no idea if that's true or not but... yeah. Pretty strange speech to give for your resignation.


I don't think her speech was strange, for Palin. She basically was letting everyone know how she's already won the game, and there's nothing left for her to do because she's already perfected the state.

Her speech kind of reminded me of listening to speeches in highschool. She talked way too fast, with improper intonations and expressions. I dunno, just those videos are proof enough of why I dislike her. She's condescending and just plain dumb.
#49 Jul 03 2009 at 11:46 PM Rating: Good
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Theory of Creationism? Gives it too much credit. "Fiction of Creationism" I like better. "Myth of Creationism" is probably the most accurate. But until it's undergone rigorous scientific testing that is published in peer reviewed journals, it doesn't get the honor of being called a theory.


It belongs in a religious studies classroom like every other aspext of religious studies ever. I'd much rather see a rels studies/philosophy department (or even sub department taught by the social studies people) that teachers these things properly, from a historical critical perspective, than put it in the science wing where, not only would physics teachers be teaching stuff that they probably don't want to, they would be teaching stuff that they aren't qualified to teach.

I see nothing wrong in the slightest with giving mandatory classes in school that teach children about religion. It's extremely useful, as well as a ridiculously huge part of history. Teaching the practice of the religion? Not so much.

Different subject: different pedagogy.
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I see nothing wrong in the slightest with giving mandatory classes in school that teach children about religion.

Nothing wrong besides the opportunity cost of anything else they could be learning during that time slot.
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It's extremely useful, as well as a ridiculously huge part of history.

And it's taught in history; it's not valuable enough to merit a second class.

Elective? Sure if there is enough interest. Required class? Ridiculous.
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I see nothing wrong in the slightest with giving mandatory classes in school that teach children about religion.
I don't either, but I'd rather that money go towards art/music classes first.
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