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#27 Jul 02 2009 at 9:14 AM Rating: Excellent
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any CEO that get's caught banging an intern at the office would have lost his job on the spot.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!

You're so cute and naive sometimes. Never change from your adorable, wide-eyed self.
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#28 Jul 02 2009 at 9:15 AM Rating: Decent
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publiusvarus wrote:
Elinda,

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Clinton didn't jeopardize the country with his affair


You should really look into what was going on in the ME when Clinton was getting a bj and dealing with his lies on the matter. And any CEO that get's caught banging an intern at the office would have lost his job on the spot.

Banging an intern is on par with a teacher sleeping with a student.
No it's not. Monica was a consenting adult, not a coerced child.

edit - I'm not condoning his actions. The affair DID take place right at the white house - that's pretty crude. But it is where the pres lives. His affair, however, had no connection to his governance - which wasn't half bad (specially considering his predecessor).



Edited, Jul 2nd 2009 7:18pm by Elinda
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#29 Jul 02 2009 at 9:50 AM Rating: Good
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So you guys blast Sanford for not releasing his private financial information but give Obama a pass for not releasing his birth certificate! :P



Come on, you know gbaji wants to say it.


and then ...

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Almost as funny as Obama promising to to release his birth certificate but never doing so.


Sometimes you can't win the coin flip.

Edited, Jul 2nd 2009 11:50am by baelnic
#30REDACTED, Posted: Jul 02 2009 at 11:02 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Elinda,
#31 Jul 02 2009 at 11:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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Not many 25 year old high school seniors around these parts. Maybe it's different where you live.
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#32REDACTED, Posted: Jul 02 2009 at 11:32 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Jophed,
#33 Jul 02 2009 at 11:45 AM Rating: Excellent
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Quite a few 18yr old seniors. And if we're talking about consenting adults 18yr old are included.
So a 25yr old is just like an 18yr old high school student because 18yr olds are legal adults?

Well, I'm convinced.
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#34REDACTED, Posted: Jul 02 2009 at 12:06 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Jophed,
#35 Jul 02 2009 at 12:23 PM Rating: Excellent
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So they're mature but stupid? And what does this have to do with Sanford failing to produce travel vouchers, or staying in office after he howled for Clinton to resign for a much lesser offense?

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#36 Jul 02 2009 at 12:25 PM Rating: Good
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Many 18yr olds are as mature as their 25yr old counterparts.

hahahaha. no. Unless you define many as over 10.

Edited, Jul 2nd 2009 3:26pm by Xsarus
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#37REDACTED, Posted: Jul 02 2009 at 12:56 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Samy,
#38 Jul 02 2009 at 12:59 PM Rating: Excellent
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There is no reason for President Obama to produce his birth certificate. There is no credible doubt that he was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961. It was reported in the local paper, for fUCk's sake.

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publiusvarus wrote:
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And what does this have to do with Sanford failing to produce travel vouchers, or staying in office after he howled for Clinton to resign for a much lesser offense?
About the same thing as Obama failing to produce a birth certificate.
You misunderstand, Samira.

Varus is saying that if Sanford doesn't produce his vouchers, he's constitutionally ineligible to be governor and should be thrown out of the country at gunpoint while in his pyjamas.
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#40 Jul 02 2009 at 5:28 PM Rating: Default
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Elinda wrote:
publiusvarus wrote:
Banging an intern is on par with a teacher sleeping with a student.
No it's not. Monica was a consenting adult, not a coerced child.



Student, not child. While there's no statutory rape issue if the student is over 18, we tend to frown on it anyway (especially in the public school system). It has to do with abuse of authority, and is applicable regardless of the ages of the two involved.

It's more or less the same reason why fraternization is not allowed in the military. You can't involve yourself sexually with someone within your own command chain (up or down).

By having a sexual affair with a member of his staff, while on the job, in the office portion of the White House (not the residence), Clinton was at the very least showing incredibly poor judgment, and certainly violating the principle's we tend to hold as a society regarding behavior of someone in authority over someone else. Obviously, that's not an impeachable offense, and I absolutely agree that the circumstances under which he "lied" were pretty obviously contrived to force that exact response. My issue with the whole thing was that it distracted the investigation from the legitimate issues surrounding the whole Whitewater scandal. As soon as sex entered the picture, it was like the investigators just kinda forgot all about the reason they were actually investigating...


As for Sanford's change of mind. I wouldn't read much into it (although I'm sure it wont stop most of you anyway). Sanford probably had about half of Congress (both parties) quietly contact him and suggest that if he turns over such documents without any form of subpoena first, it'll make the media and the public think that anyone who doesn't do the same must be hiding something. And both sides will be inundated with calls for this document and that document, etc... Nobody wants that. I'm all for transparency, but it's like an anecdote my Aunt related about top secret documents. She noted that when she worked for various government agencies, they'd dump *everything* into various classified documents and files. Even stuff like the cleaning bill. The idea was that if you only ever make the top secret stuff hard to find or obtain, then it's pretty easy to know all the secrets. Just keep asking for stuff until someone says "no". Same deal here...
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#41 Jul 02 2009 at 7:24 PM Rating: Good
Nobody disagrees that playing with an intern in the office is a bad idea - most Dems were pretty sleezed out by Clinton at that point and annoyed that it ruined what was turning out to be a halfway decent presidency.

However, I think it would have been much more egregious if he had taken Monica on an international conference, at taxpayer expense, without telling Al Gore, the White House, Congress, or even his wife, that he was leaving the country for a week.
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